A chaotic scene in August at the Empire State Building put this starkly into perspective when New York City police officers confronting a gunman wounded nine innocent bystanders.Armed civilians attempting to intervene are actually more likely to increase the bloodshed, says Hargarten, "given that civilian shooters are less likely to hit their targets than police in these circumstances." (Dr. Stephen Hargarten is a source cited in the Mother Jones article.)
It makes more sense edited that way with respect to the NYPD's Annie Oakleys.
Mother Jones sounds as trustworthy as ACORN. The moonbats and BS media are out in force.
Even if true, it matters not one iota to me. My interest is in protecting myself, my family, and my property.
Don’t forget the recent mall shooter that killed himself after he saw a CC holder drawing down on him. Then there was the guy that had to run 1,000+ feet to get his gun and get the drop on the shooter at a college out in TN (I think) a couple years ago. Of course, there is the all time favorite of the armed impromptu posse of Texas boys with deer rifles that helped pin down and take out Charles Whitman back in the early 1960’s.
Go back a century or more and most all the bad guys got taken out with the trash by John Q. Public.
Unarmed civilians have stopped just as many elephant rampages in malls as armed civilians have, therefore, guns aren’t necessary. /s
I've been arguing this point since I was in my teens in the 60's and said to a peacenik hippie: "If you came across a thug in an alley and he had a weapon and you had a weapon, would you actually lay yours down first hoping he would do the same?" The dipshit said, "Yes, peace brother."
From that day on I knew there are some people who just don't deserve to live and I'm ok if they just die yesterday (we all do). Even with their best of intentions, their rhetoric and behavior embolden the bad guys against the rest of us who would defend our lives, our family, our friends and our Country.
Liberals, socialists, Marxists, and communists are a bain on civilization as we have seen and still seeing. Imperialists were just as bad, but those days are long past except for parts of Africa. Now it's not so much about conquering, but about ideology and who gets what (not too far from the communes of the 60's). There are countless books with millions of pages that have said what I just expressed above. But then I'm not a scholar, but I have stayed at a Holiday Inn.
How are “Law Abiding Armed Citizens” supposed to stop these shootings if they cannot bring their guns into these gun free zones...?
One could argue that an off-duty cop is not a civilian but he was there as a civilian and not serving as a LEO. Furthermore, he was related to the shooting victim so consider that a family member makes the save of others. Consider, too, the wealth of restrictions on concealed carry that make it more likely a random person in the crowd who is carrying may be a LEO. That is a pretty high percentage in some jurisdictions.
Seems like someone forgot about Mr. Whitman in the bell tower at UT.
As the police came to the scene of the ongoing shootings, many students simply went to their cars and pulled out their rifles and joined in shooting at him.
I can’t remember if the bullet (or bullets) that killed him were cops or civilians. However these students firing their guns at him probably saved countless lives.
We have an NRA decal on our front window. No crime or break-ins.
Where’s THAT empirical study?
And a report I remember says criminals won’t break in homes with U.S. FLAGS (= patriotic, therefore vets, cops, loyal Americans), so guns - AND flags - protect people.
An armed citizen put an end to the serial rapist/murderer Wayne Nance.
The Tyler, Texas courthouse shooting(s)...
After the initial gunfire played out, a resident (civilian, non LEO) nearby heard and responded to the gunfire armed with his .45 handgun...
Nevermind he was a highly trained and holder of a Texas CHL license...
This person engaged the rifle bearing individual and soon discovered that that person was wearing resistant armor and subsequently was shot and killed in doing so...
But, IIRC, that was enough of a distraction to force the criminal to cease his attack and flee the area, only to be stopped and shot and killed nearby after a short car chase...
Just another example, to the best of my recollection of another semi-successful armed citizen doing what they felt to be the right thing at the right time, and paid for it with their life...
Something I believe some of us would have done the same thing, but not expecting to run up against this type of preparation by this criminal in the first place, unfortunate, but it should be something that we who take the issue serously enough, should be mindful of if we deside to intervene in...
By the way, IIRC, the CHL’er did hit the suspect several times, and had just begun to reload as the criminal began firing back and murdering this hero (in my opinion)...
I believe the exact account is in the archives of Free Republic from a few years ago...A good discussion on it as well...