Posted on 12/30/2012 7:39:02 AM PST by marktwain
If you’re reading this, you’ve probably had a conversation with someone in the last few days who asked, “Why do ordinary law-abiding people need those semiautomatic firearms with magazines that can hold more than ten cartridges?” There are lots of sound answers.
For one thing, defensive firearms are meant to be “equalizers,” force multipliers that can allow one good person to defend against multiple evil people. To allow one good person to defend against a single evil person so much stronger and/or bigger and/or more violent than he or she, that the attacker’s potentially lethal assault can be stopped. History shows that it often takes many gunshots to stop even a single determined aggressor. Most police officers have seen the famous autopsy photo in the cops-only text book “Street Survival” of the armed robber who soaked up 33 police 9mm bullets before he stopped trying to kill the officers. Consider Lance Thomas, the Los Angeles area watch shop owner who was in many shootouts with multiple gang bangers who tried to rob and murder him. He shot several of them, and discovered that it took so many hits to stop them that he placed multiple loaded handguns every few feet along his workbench. That’s not possible in a home, or when lawfully carrying concealed on the street: a semiautomatic pistol with a substantial cartridge capacity makes much more sense for that defensive application.
Semiautomatic rifles? Consider this heart-breaking, fatal home invasion in Florida http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Byrd_and_Melanie_Billings and ask yourself if it might have turned out differently had the homeowners been able to access and competently deploy something like, oh, a Bushmaster AR15 with 30 round magazine.
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Right! As the man in the link said, it's called the Bill of Rights, not the Bill of Needs.
I never liked the idea of taping magazines together. If you are going to the trouble, buy a magazine pouch that you can attack to the stock of the carbine. Cheaper and more effective IMHO. Most carbine mag pouches hold two magazines.
The carbine will handle better as well. There are some special clamps to hold a couple of mags together.
There will never be any organized revolt against the government since it isn't the government any more, it's a leftist dictatorship. You can't overthrow it. The Republic is now history.
There may be a few guys who will open fire on the ATF when they start going door to door to gather your guns, but over all you will simply surrender them like you did America. You going to trade in your family, your job, your kids to shoot a couple of cops or ATF??? Won't happen. Within four years if he wants it Obama will have confiscated every gun in America. The rest of you will be imprisoned or shot down like dogs.
We could have stopped him in 2007 but we didn't. As John McLame said after running the worst campaign in history, "I hope President Obama succeeds!" And here we are!
Don’t mean to intrude on your question, but Ruger LCR is great for concealed carry. Outstanding grip, i have it in .357 which is a few oz heavier but makes .38 +p rounds more comfortable. I don’t find .357 intolerable which is amazing in such a small firearm...
A little larger SP101 can also be a good choice, and GP101 is a good house gun. I have gravitated back to revolvers as well the last couple years... There have been many instances where they have been loaded and left in a bed stand drawer by owner, years later used and it still fires, not sure any/many semis would do the same...
If nothing else, makes a good backup to a large cap semi.
>>>Don’t mean to intrude on your question, but Ruger LCR is great for concealed carry.
It’s no intrusion. I appreciate the information and advice. Many thanks!
[[ “Why do ordinary law-abiding people need those semiautomatic firearms with magazines that can hold more than ten cartridges?”
Need ? Why do they keep framing the question as a discussion of “need”? It’s not about hunting or target practice. ]]
Excerpt from “Unintended Consequences” by John Ross, p. 151:
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“Dad, while you were taking pictures after we had lunch, Mr. Mann was telling me about what happened to him during the war.” Henry and his father were down in the workshop, where Henry was cleaning his guns. Walter Bowman looked up at his son.
“Hm.” Walter had never heard of Irwin Mann talking about that part of his past.
“He was telling me about how the police came and took him and his wife away, and he never saw her or any of his family again. He said that Hitler killed six million Jews like him, and would have killed all of them if the Americans hadn’t fought against the Germans and beat them.”
“That’s probably true.”
“He talked about how none of them had any way to fight back. He said FIRST THE POLICE TOOK AWAY THE GUNS THAT WERE LIKE THE ONES THE SOLDIERS USED, then they took away all their guns. He said he hoped I was always a good shot with as many kinds of guns as possible, in case the same thing ever happened here.” Henry looked very upset. “Dad, I love shooting, but I don’t want to kill anyone. Could something like what happened in Germany ever happen here?” he asked.
Walter Bowman, the history teacher, looked his son in the eye. Want to take this question for me, Uncle Cam? he said silently. Finally he answered.
“It probably won’t happen here,” he said, and mentally added the word again. “I certainly pray that it doesn’t. We have a nation with the kind of freedoms that people in most other countries can only dream of. But to answer your question accurately, yes, it could happen here.” And it killed your uncle.
“There are always men who want more and more power, and history has shown us that these kind of men will take all they can from the people they control. Sometimes they are finally stopped when the people fight back. Sometimes the people don’t fight back, and they slowly lose their freedoms until it’s too late.”
(emphasis added by me)
Ruger LCR.
Forget taping mags together. That’s Hollywood stuff.
I don’t “need” anything! Oh, and I’m tired of being “good” too. DON’T TREAD! I’M EFFIN SERIOUS!
I thought I remembered seeing in some WWII Pacific jungle fighting where the Marines who had M1’s taped their mags. Or was it Korea.
The M1 Garand is a clip fed rifle that loads from the top of its reciever and into its internal magazine via an 8 round en bloc clip. If you had 2 or more CLIPS taped together you would have to seperate them (and likely remove the tape) so as to allow the SINGLE CLIP to be placed onto the magazine follower and to prevent the tape from creating an obstruction to inserting it into the reciever.
Your revolvers don’t have hammer springs?
Your revolvers don’t have hammer springs?
You may have seen taped magazines on M-1 carbines, but this was discouraged unless IMMEDIATE use was forseen as in a CQB situation, as the open magazine lips invited debris and dirt that could result in a failure to feed stoppage, with potentially fatal results
I've found that recoil that is objectionable in practice is hardly noticeable when any pressure to perform is on, (competition, qualification, hunting, danger).
I've been "jumped" by several rattlesnakes -- and I don't remember any recoil... '-)
The fact that the simplified Thompsons could not be used with the drum magazine did not have a serious impact on effectiveness, though the drum was popular with some users. The following passage regarding the drum magazine appears in the Rosenquist and Buerlein book Our Kind of War. “On an amphibious assault, Raiders liked to land with a 50-round drum locked into the weapon. When that was emptied, it was simply discarded and immediately replaced by a 20-round box magazine.”
The 50-round drum was criticized by many as being too awkward, heavy and prone to rattle—all obviously undesirable traits in combat—and the drum was dropped from widespread use fairly early in the war.
To compensate for the loss of the drum’s firepower, a 30-round magazine (essentially a lengthened version of the 20-round magazine) was adopted, and it could be used with all models of Thompsons in service including the M1928A1. Some soldiers taped two or three magazines together in an attempt to make reloading faster, but the real value of this can be debated.
http://www.americanrifleman.org/m-articlepage.aspx?id=3141&cid=1
Sorry, I was talking about the M1 .30cal carbine. Several people suggested it was not a good idea to tape mag’s together one reason being that the one on the bottom would be exposed to all sorts of dirt and stuff and possible jamming.
I read where a fully loaded drum plus gun weighed almost 50 pounds or close to it.
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