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Holiday Shopping Season Disappoints: Causes And Consequences [Worst Since ' 08; BO's First Campaign]
seeking alpha ^ | 12/28/12 | Colin Lokey

Posted on 12/31/2012 6:47:37 AM PST by SoFloFreeper

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To: who knows what evil?

“... that is pretty much the case”.

I am so jealous!! I know Talbot’s, for example, has really high quality/conservative outfits. I forget exactly who but another Freepers wife still has Talbot’s blazers/skirts from over twenty years ago. They still look brand new. (sigh again... why do all those teeny little gals get the breaks?! LOL!)


21 posted on 12/31/2012 8:36:24 AM PST by momtothree
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To: who knows what evil?

They certainly are. My wife has been shopping at thrift stores for many years and the expensive clothes she brings home are amazing. She wears them for a while and if she becomes tired of them or they become too big she donates them back and finds something new. I have a heck of a time getting her to buy new some of the things she can’t find like pants. She grew up dirt poor with one or two outfits at any one time. She appreciates saving and always has through the 40 years we’ve been married.


22 posted on 12/31/2012 9:01:44 AM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

“Best bet is that retailers believed government forecasts for more holiday spending, increased consumer confidence and an expanding economy instead of believing their own lying eyes. Judging fromt he parking lots and store activity over the past week, I’ll bet Christmas for a lot of folks happened after December 25th.”

As an increasing number of people give gift cards, I’m suremuch of that shopping is happening after Christmas Day. I know I’ve used them in the past to buy as much of my normal staples (to help pay down credit card debt) - light bulbs from Home Depot, groceries from Target, etc. The AmEx cards are great because you can use them in a supermarket.

The days of Christmas with adults buying adult toys are over for most Americans; welcome to the “new normal”.


23 posted on 12/31/2012 9:15:32 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Pining_4_TX
I’ve heard them blame Hurricane Sandy and the shootings in CT for the bad shopping season.

LOL! Out here in Flyoverville, Sandy wasn't a factor in any way, shape or form. As for CT, it seems to have spurred already strong firearms sales (I've been around the block a time or two and I've never seen so many people walk into the LGS and just buy for the sake of buying something)... now if that meant that people spent their money on firearms, ammunition and magazines instead of other items, then retailers can put the blame on Obama and the Dems.

(Where it belongs for a number of reasons which may or may not be related.)

The Fast & Furious operation combined with running arms to Muslim Brotherhood affiliates probably puts Barack Hussein Obama at the top of the "President responsible for supplying arms to civilians" category dollar wise, and he has certainly been responsible for booming sales in the US. He generally takes credit for anything and everything, but my guess is that being "Arms Salesman of the Year" for four straight isn't going to get much ink.

Back to the broader topic, niteowl77 and I noticed back in early December that people were not out and about buying as in past years, nor were they dining out like last year. I don't know what others' reasons may be, but we hit a psychological wall of sorts a few years back, finally reacting to the realization that much of what was good about Christmas (same for Halloween and other holidays) had long been co-opted by various conglomerations of asses. Call it fed-up, or burned-out or whatever, but Christmas here is no longer an orgy of material goods that we may or may not need, and which we may or may not really be able to afford. We (and our extended family as well) have continued to cut back, and this year marked the first time in at least 55 years that my parents did not buy Christmas gifts for their kids or grandkids.

Mr. niteowl77

24 posted on 12/31/2012 9:22:26 AM PST by niteowl77 (Oh, crap.)
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To: lacrew

I had to pick something up at Wal Mart on Black Friday, in the P.M....wasn’t crowded in the least bit. Then I turned on the radio and heard about the great day retailers were having. A very Soviet experience.
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Same here ,, black friday ,, bopped into WMT for a grocery item ... the lot was a bit more than half full ,, like a normal Saturday, no delay at checkout and only half of the checkouts were open.. only buying a very few toy items ,, 90% just needs.. never saw what I would call a large crowd.. one mall I visit has had over a 20% vacancy rate for at least the past 2 seasons,, they hid it by moving existing stores in seldom visited side corridors to the main “avenue” and vacating the side corridors,, now the main “avenue” has even more empty positions , camoflaged by window displays for the surviving stores and some of the new stores are really low rent things that normally would never be in a mall... a health club took at least 6-8 of the empty spaces ... just the fact they could consolidate enough space for it tells you a lot,, then you have the personal services type places that are started on a shoestring..


25 posted on 12/31/2012 9:47:24 AM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: lacrew

The media carrying 0boober’s water again. We haven’t come out of the ‘08 recession, and now that things were ever so slightly improving we get slammed with a host of new 0bamacare taxes and payroll tax hikes that kick in whether or not we swan dive off the fiscal cliff. But, the “wise” voting public chose this sham regime for another 4 years.


26 posted on 12/31/2012 10:13:11 AM PST by YankeeReb
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To: SoFloFreeper
Just to throw this out there:
Came back from a Dick's Sporting Goods store in Danbury CT, just a 5 minute ride from Newtown CT. All the rifles and shotguns are out of sight, but now they have a limit on .22 rimfire ammo. I asked the clerk why, he said (and I quote) , "We can't stock it fast enough, same thing happened last election." .

I thought that was telling, the bluest part of the people's republic of CT, not 10 minutes away from where the Dear Reader spoke in Newtown and they can't keep ammo on the shelves.

So there's one sector of the economy having a banner holiday season.

27 posted on 12/31/2012 10:19:04 AM PST by YankeeReb
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To: YankeeReb

Since the election, the only thing I have any desire to buy is the stuff my child needs for school etc. That, and the occasional bottle of drinkable wine (domestic or from a country I can stomach politically - definitely not French). I’m sure I’m not alone.


28 posted on 12/31/2012 10:30:37 AM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: kearnyirish2
I’m sure much of that shopping is happening after Christmas Day

I know that, that is what I do with my two adult daughters. We wait for a couple of days after Christmas, and then I take them for clothes shopping. Neither lives anywhere near hubby and I, so I don't know what they like or need; so, it is just easier to let them find things for themselves. What my youngest needed this time were new shoes.

29 posted on 12/31/2012 10:31:33 AM PST by LibertarianLiz
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To: SoFloFreeper
A fact the media has all but IGNORED is that 2012 was the worst shopping season since....wait for it.....2008. Gee, what did those two shopping seasons have in common

And yet we heard that after Black Friday, the whole deal had broken records.....on the plus side. I guess this is another "unexpected" turn of events.

30 posted on 12/31/2012 12:07:00 PM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: niteowl77

“I don’t know what others’ reasons may be, but we hit a psychological wall of sorts a few years back, finally reacting to the realization that much of what was good about Christmas (same for Halloween and other holidays) had long been co-opted by various conglomerations of asses. Call it fed-up, or burned-out or whatever, but Christmas here is no longer an orgy of material goods that we may or may not need, and which we may or may not really be able to afford.”

This is true of many people I know, too. We also cut back, especially this year. Many don’t have the money and almost all wonder about the future.

I also think retailers killed the goose that laid the golden egg when they switched to Happy Holidays. Nobody goes shopping for the Winter Solstice. Now that Christmas is just a reason to buy things on sale, many people wait to shop until January or don’t shop at all, and Christians are turning away from the public display of nothingness.


31 posted on 01/01/2013 7:11:38 AM PST by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: LibertarianLiz

It’s a great (and practical) idea; what takes place prior to December 25th has become so far removed from “Christmas” it is a mockery.

People should start exchanging gifts on Three Kings Day (January 6th); that would be much easier.


32 posted on 01/01/2013 7:32:54 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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