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Plead Guilty or Go to Prison for Life: The Medical Marijuana Grower's Stark Choice
Townhall.com ^ | January 2, 2013 | Jacob Sullum

Posted on 01/02/2013 7:47:05 AM PST by Kaslin

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1 posted on 01/02/2013 7:47:20 AM PST by Kaslin
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It’s a BS sentence all right ,but one he wouldn’t have gotten if he hadn’t grown the crap in the first place.

He knew he was shading the law ,and he chose to do it.

We will all be facing sentences when the Feds outlaw our guns. I doubt the jails will be able to hold us all.We all know it’s coming , are we prepared to pay the price?


2 posted on 01/02/2013 8:04:15 AM PST by Venturer
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When we agreed that the government could outlaw a vegetable, we certainly whetted their appetite to outlaw firearms. The goal of reasonable conservatives should be to limit overreach by governments. I see no purpose to marijuana prohibition. It doesn’t limit use very much and simply allows government to raid homes. I’ve been in jurisdictions here it’s essentially legal and not used it nor been tempted to; I suspect most folks are the same.


4 posted on 01/02/2013 8:13:49 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: greene66

Where EXACTLY in Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution is Congress given the specific, enumerated power to criminalize the growing of a plant?

Thanks in advance. I await the results of your diligent research.


5 posted on 01/02/2013 8:13:49 AM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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We will all be facing sentences when the Feds outlaw our guns. I doubt the jails will be able to hold us all.We all know it’s coming , are we prepared to pay the price?

I hope so; there is evil in this world and it must be fought -- sometimes even to bloodshed and death.

It’s a BS sentence all right ,but one he wouldn’t have gotten if he hadn’t grown the crap in the first place.
He knew he was shading the law, and he chose to do it.

There's a problem here; a fundamental problem: is a 'law' [statute, ordnance, rule, etc] which is unlawful legitimate?
First, let's start with the power to regulate the drug: the 18th amendment was required to enable the regulation of alcohol by the federal government -- by what power then is the regulation of drugs assumed? If it is the commerce clause, which has been cited in Gonzales, then all one needs to do to repudiate that is look at the commerce-clause: it is in a list which contains "foreign nations", the [attempted] enforcement of such regulations in a foreign country would correctly be construed both an act of war and the waging of war -- therefore, such regulation applies to the States is also an act of war and definitionaly satisfies the charge of Treason as laid out in the Constitution.

That's right, the War on Drugs is literally Treason.

6 posted on 01/02/2013 8:32:31 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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Since marijuana is prohibited for all purposes under federal law, he was not allowed even to discuss the nature of his business in front of the jury,...

Sure wouldn't want the jury to have ALL THE FACTS would we?

7 posted on 01/02/2013 8:34:34 AM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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I think it emanates from a penumbra ... or something ...
8 posted on 01/02/2013 8:35:16 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: OneWingedShark

There is so Gotdamn much treason in our laws today it’s hard to pick which is worse, and then Obama wants a traitor as his Secretary of State.

We already have at least one on the Supreme Court, I speak of the Chief Justice who stabbed us all in the back and confirmed an Unconstitutional health care bill.


9 posted on 01/02/2013 8:37:12 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Lurker
Where EXACTLY in Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution is Congress given the specific, enumerated power to criminalize the growing of a plant?

The courts have settled on the Commerce clause: "To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;"

What they fail to realize is that by placing the 'several states' in a list including foreign nations and Indian tribes (which could be called native nations) there is a limit placed thereon: the federal government cannot legitimately assume 'regulation' to mean something that applied to foreign nations would constitute an act of war -- the enforcement of which would be waging war -- and therefore, being applied to the states, would constitute treason.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

So, keep in mind that those advocating the War on Drugs are doing no less than advocating Treason.

11 posted on 01/02/2013 8:38:45 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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The “War on Drugs” is total nonsense and needs to end.


12 posted on 01/02/2013 8:39:45 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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Where EXACTLY in Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution is Congress given the specific, enumerated power to criminalize the growing of a plant?

Thanks in advance. I await the results of your diligent research.


I had some one here at FR quote the general welfare clause on another issue.......................


13 posted on 01/02/2013 8:43:21 AM PST by PeterPrinciple
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We will all be facing sentences when the Feds outlaw our guns. I doubt the jails will be able to hold us all.We all know it’s coming , are we prepared to pay the price?

Wait until the public service announcements emerge revealing govt research showing exposure to handguns leads to schizophrenia, cancer, induces white women to cohabit with black jazz musicians, grows breasts on men, and is a "gateway firearm" to hardcore automatic weapons.


14 posted on 01/02/2013 8:43:34 AM PST by fattigermaster
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So why did we need a constitutional amendment to outlaw alcohol but not for drugs.

The war on drugs is a a failed policy that caused a huge enroads into are constitutional rights.

15 posted on 01/02/2013 8:45:23 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: Venturer
We already have at least one on the Supreme Court, I speak of the Chief Justice who stabbed us all in the back and confirmed an Unconstitutional health care bill.

While I agree that the decision was despicable, and horrid, I must also conclude that it is not Treason -- treason is very carefully and strictly defined in the Constitution -- though it may certainly be sedition.

16 posted on 01/02/2013 8:45:38 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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You’re really tough aren’t you n00b?


17 posted on 01/02/2013 8:47:48 AM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: PeterPrinciple; Lurker
I had some one here at FR quote the general welfare clause

I hope you pointed out to them that the clause is a statement of purpose not a grant of power - and that if it were the latter, every present and future program of the federal welfare state would be constitutional.

18 posted on 01/02/2013 8:54:05 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: R AND R IN 2012

and what about life for illegal guns????

your ignorance is showing, newb..


19 posted on 01/02/2013 9:03:29 AM PST by joe fonebone (The clueless... they walk among us, and they vote...)
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To: R AND R IN 2012

I love it when faux conservatives like you show their true colors by pissing on the Constitution just as hard as any Leftist.


20 posted on 01/02/2013 9:06:57 AM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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