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Questions for Gun Controllers - If a policy doesn’t produce the intended results, why pursue it?
National Review Online ^ | December 28, 2012 | Rich Lowry

Posted on 01/02/2013 10:28:13 AM PST by neverdem

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To: neverdem

Its their mental form of Viagra, the twisted pursuit of control and the never ending pursuit of elevation above the working scum class.

America is going to become the land of “The Postman”.


41 posted on 01/02/2013 8:51:43 PM PST by Eye of Unk (A Civil Cold War in America is here, its already been declared.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
For whatever reasons that may be tossed around, this is really the only one. All the reasons lead to disarming the public.

But, but, but surely the disarmament motive is a good one? Entertained only by bien-pensant policy orthothinkers and well-meaning philosophes and public philanthropists .....? ..... Like, say, George Soros? (Never mind that he once used his knowledge to help the Gestapo hunt down Jews in Hungary.)

There's nothing to be afraid of .... what are you afraid of? Warm, fuzzy, humanity-loving Bill Ayers, who once advocated killing 25,000,000 Americans to establish Soviet Communism in America? Come on -- he was just kidding! He had a bad day! You don't think he meant it, do you? Come on, have a drink, and then we'll go talk to Bill, you'll find he's a great guy, salt of the earth, not a mean bone in his body! Ask his wife!

</ massive sarc>

42 posted on 01/02/2013 9:53:13 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: neverdem
"If a policy doesn’t produce the intended results, why pursue it"?

Simple, all proposed anti RKBA legislation is seen as just one more step of an incremental process. When a magazine ban or an AWB fails, as we know it will, it is an excuse to come back for more laws, until all guns are banned.

You end up with bans on Swiss Army knives and sharp pointed steak knives, as in the U.K.

It's time to just say NO!

43 posted on 01/02/2013 10:31:17 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: neverdem
From the article: "In your view, to make a public policy worth pursuing, should it have a discernible connection to its stated goal?"

I believe that the Supreme Court's Heller decision pointed out that the Second Amendment is not subject to a balancing act. It is sufficient to ask whether the law in question is an infringement. It it is, then the power to pass such a law is denied to the government.

We needn't ask about the "goals" of an infringement.

44 posted on 01/02/2013 11:00:56 PM PST by William Tell
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To: Jabba the Nutt
If a policy doesn’t produce the intended results, why pursue it?

They're just following the lead of the Drug Warriors.

First, with Liberal/Leftists, you need to determine what the intended results are. What they say they intend, is a lie, boob bait for the bubbas.

So what are the intended results of the War On Drugs (which is championed by many FReepers)?

45 posted on 01/03/2013 7:57:40 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
First, I'm well known here for supporting the re-legalization of drugs, including prescription drugs.

Second, I don't compare FReepers, whose sincerity I accept until proven otherwise. FReepers, who support the war on drugs do so for the reasons they give. They make honest arguments.

My point is that leaders among the liberals, leftists and Statist make arguments for political effect. They do not support policies for the reasons given. Leftwing cannon fodder have believed algore is all about global warming and that algore honestly promotes that policy. They'll still believe him, even as he sells out to Big Arab Oil.

So, I really don't understand you point. And FReepers aren't Leftists and don't act like them, even when I disagree with them.

46 posted on 01/03/2013 6:26:51 PM PST by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: Jabba the Nutt
First, I'm well known here for

There are hundreds of thousands of FReepers; I challenge the claim that any of them except Jim Robinson is "well known."

supporting the re-legalization of drugs, including prescription drugs.

Glad to hear it!

Second, I don't compare FReepers, whose sincerity I accept until proven otherwise. FReepers, who support the war on drugs do so for the reasons they give. They make honest arguments.

They do give reasons - but I have yet to see an honest argument; every debate I've seen with FR drug war supporters ends with them distorting opponents' positions and/or calling them druggies.

FReepers aren't Leftists and don't act like them

I respectfully disagree: when it comes to supporting the War On Drugs, they are and do.

47 posted on 01/04/2013 8:05:02 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

You are a zealot.


48 posted on 01/04/2013 6:59:55 PM PST by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: Jabba the Nutt
every debate I've seen with FR drug war supporters ends with them distorting opponents' positions and/or calling them druggies.

You are a zealot.

Can you point to a specific drug-policy exchange on FR that doesn't fit the pattern I noted? Or are you just hewing to the FR 11th Commandment?

49 posted on 01/06/2013 1:26:53 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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