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GOP scrambles to fix its primary problem
Politico ^ | January 4, 2013 | Jonathan Martin

Posted on 01/04/2013 12:49:00 PM PST by Bratch

The disastrous 2012 election and embarrassing fiscal cliff standoff has brought forth one principal conclusion from establishment Republicans: They have a primary problem.

The intra-party contests, or threat thereof, have become the original sin that explains many of the party’s woes in the minds of GOP leaders. It’s the primaries that push their presidential nominees far to the right (see “self-deportation” and “47 percent”); produce lackluster Senate candidates (Todd Akin has almost become a one-word shorthand); and, as seen most vividly in the last two weeks, dissuade scores of gerrymandered House members from face-saving compromise while politically emasculating their speaker.

What to do about the primaries has become Topic A in many a post-election Republican soul-searching session, and now the first steps are being taken to address the issue. For Senate Republicans, that means a modified return to their 2010 posture of openly playing in primaries. A retiring House Republican is starting a super PAC to help House members challenged from the right. And an RNC commission is mulling over changes to the party’s presidential primary.

In the Senate, where at least five GOP losses in the past two election cycles could be attributed to primaries, Republican leaders are planning to intervene in selected 2014 races to ensure preferred candidates win the nomination.

High-profile Senate Republicans are going to try to pre-empt bloody primaries with aggressive, early recruitment and support — effectively trying to clear fields.

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It appears the GOP-e are trying to stack the deck against conservatives.
1 posted on 01/04/2013 12:49:06 PM PST by Bratch
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To: Bratch

It’s easy. Get rid of the RINOs or else.


2 posted on 01/04/2013 12:51:56 PM PST by LouAvul
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To: Bratch
It appears the GOP-e are trying to stack the deck against conservatives.

I thought they did that at the convention.

/johnny

3 posted on 01/04/2013 12:52:05 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Bratch

NOW do you all believe we’ll be forced to go Third Party?


4 posted on 01/04/2013 12:52:31 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Bratch

The GOPe does have a primary problem. I, for one, am going to vote for any same-party challenger to my two Senators, even my representative if he votes for anything in the way of a debt ceiling increase without a 1:1 reduction in spending. I’d sooner see a Democrat in those spots if they are going to act like Democrats.

At least I’ll then have something tangible to blame instead of a bunch of no-ball spineless bastard RINOs who have the gall to call themselves ‘Georgians’ while living it up 99% of the year on the DC high of being second in power.


5 posted on 01/04/2013 12:54:00 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: Bratch
It appears that the GOPe have identified the enemy, and it is the tax-paying, law-abiding, constitution-revering citizens they are targeting. In the end, they just want to make deals with the Democrats as they continue dismantling this country and our freedoms.

Sorry, but it is time for a new party.

6 posted on 01/04/2013 12:56:24 PM PST by Major Matt Mason ("Journalism is dead. All news is suspect." - Noamie)
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To: Bratch

What a twisted view from POLITICO (of course).

If the RINOs and conservatives in the Party don’t start working together for their common good there won’t be a Republican Party.


7 posted on 01/04/2013 12:57:56 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: Bratch

The first two things, without which nothing else can work, are:

1) Only registered Republicans, who voted in the last two elections AS registered Republicans, can vote.

2) No more “winners” by plurality. “Winner” in the primary context means 50% +1, or more. In the event that every candidate is below 50%, NO delegate bonuses, NO rewards for “winning”. I would also set a threshold of 20%, below which no delegates are awarded.


8 posted on 01/04/2013 12:57:56 PM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved, or not at all)
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To: Bratch
The day that jourNOlister Jonathan Martin at Pollutico has something of value for the GOP is the day ...


9 posted on 01/04/2013 12:59:36 PM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Bratch

The days of me picking the “least liberal” to vote for is over. I have taken a personal pledge to never vote for or support another establishment/RINO/moderate/liberal/limp-wrist Republican again. If a candidate does not pledge, support and demonstrate he/she is a Tea Party conservative, they will not get my vote. Period!


10 posted on 01/04/2013 12:59:45 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: Buckeye McFrog

You can go to a third party, but don’t expect electoral success any time soon. Don’t get me wrong, I am a conservative, but it took a revamped and rebranded Canadian conservative party 13 years before it had any electorial success.


11 posted on 01/04/2013 1:00:03 PM PST by Perdogg (Mark Levin - It's called the Bill of Rights not Bill of Needs)
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To: Jim Noble

Yep, that’s what needs to be done, especially #2.
The GOPe stacks the deck by putting “their” candidate up against 3 better conservative candidates who split the vote.


12 posted on 01/04/2013 1:01:19 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Bratch
So the GOP would rather fight conservatives than the Democrats. Lessons not learned from the last election and setting up for debilitating primaries. Well, Boehner’s reelection and now this really looks like the GOP is preparing for loss of the House and further losses in the Senate. The powerless honorable opposition is maybe where the party is most comfortable.
13 posted on 01/04/2013 1:02:22 PM PST by Truth29
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To: Bratch

Removing Conservatives is its primary problem.


14 posted on 01/04/2013 1:03:28 PM PST by bmwcyle (We have gone over the cliff and we are about to hit the bottom)
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To: Bratch
Hey gop/e Nazis... you cannot... in any way... regardless of what you do... win elections without the base... and we are NOT with you. Do this and I can guarantee you that you will go the way of the Whigs. Check out state registration... your party is shrinking... and it isn't progressives that are leaving in droves... it is us... CONSERVATIVES!

LLS

15 posted on 01/04/2013 1:03:48 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Bratch

I smell a pig nosed bastard that wears glasses.


16 posted on 01/04/2013 1:04:14 PM PST by Sybeck1
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To: Jim Noble

There are some states that do not have party registration, such as the Commonwealth of VA.


17 posted on 01/04/2013 1:04:46 PM PST by Perdogg (Mark Levin - It's called the Bill of Rights not Bill of Needs)
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To: Bratch
It appears the GOP-e are trying to stack the deck against conservatives.

YEP! They want us out and I, quite frankly, am already out!!
18 posted on 01/04/2013 1:04:49 PM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Be the Enemy Within the Enemy Within...)
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To: Bratch
Did I scan it wrong or was their no mention of closing the Primaries to non R voters?

If this is isn't done it is way beyond time for us to move out...

19 posted on 01/04/2013 1:08:45 PM PST by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: JRandomFreeper

>> It appears the GOP-e are trying to stack the deck against conservatives.
>
> I thought they did that at the convention.

That’s the way I remember it too.
The rule changes were truly awful; and let’s not forget the retroactive rule change they did for one state’s primaries to deny Ron Paul delegates and cement more support for Romney.


20 posted on 01/04/2013 1:09:44 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Jim Noble

>The first two things, without which nothing else can work, are:
>1) Only registered Republicans, who voted in the last two elections AS registered Republicans, can vote.

That’s stupid; it punishes those who could not bring themselves to vote for a socialist (Romney), either by staying home or by voting 3rd party.

>2) No more “winners” by plurality. “Winner” in the primary context means 50% +1, or more. In the event that every candidate is below 50%, NO delegate bonuses, NO rewards for “winning”. I would also set a threshold of 20%, below which no delegates are awarded.

No winner-take-all — That is a much better idea.


21 posted on 01/04/2013 1:13:48 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Bratch

The GOP Establishment fogies should be tried for treason, because of their actions to attempt to steer the election, they, in effect, buggered all of us!


22 posted on 01/04/2013 1:17:05 PM PST by Terry L Smith
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To: mrsmith
there won’t be a Republican Party.

I'm more than good with that.

/johnny

23 posted on 01/04/2013 1:17:42 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Bratch

The article and its premise are just so much baloney.

Unless GOPe told him that. Then its just the excuse. They pushed fine candidates off ballot(West) tried to bury others(Michelle) and foisted a pathetically weak candidate on us for the Presidency, who by al tall tales didn’t really want to run.


24 posted on 01/04/2013 1:18:59 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: taildragger

Maybe the New Black Panther Party people in Philadelphia actually had the right idea. You don’t want certain folks in your elections you just show up with clubs.


25 posted on 01/04/2013 1:19:39 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Bratch
If they really want to fix the primaries, here's how it should be done...
  1. Close the primary to non-republicans.
  2. Put the names of all states in a hat. Draw state names for the order of the primaries. Front-loading the most liberal states is not helping the GOP win elections.
    1. A slight change that could be made to this procedure, would be to give each state that actually voted republican in the last presidential election 2 names in the hat to give them a higher chance of being front-loaded. If the state is drawn a second time, it would, of course, be discarded.
  3. Disallow the party to financing to any campaign until after the voters have chosen their candidate during the primary.

 

26 posted on 01/04/2013 1:21:20 PM PST by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: Bratch

The GOP “problem” is NO GUTS!

Nobody is willing to stand up to the media critics and their own media consultants.

They need to learn:

to tell them to stuff it
to tell them they’re wrong
to tell them WHY they are wrong

And they need to learn to do these things in SHORT SENTENCES!

Do NOT go on the defensive!

Protecting INNOCENT LIFE is RIGHT!
To KEEP AND BEAR ARMS is a RIGHT!
Causing dependence on the state is WRONG!
Public expressions and displays of Religion, is NOT “establishment of Religion?


27 posted on 01/04/2013 1:23:55 PM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: mrsmith
The 15% RINO or GOP-e faction has proven to be as incapable of compromise as the Democrats in the Senate.

The last primary season saw the 3 lifelong Conservative Republican presidential candidates overwhelmed by 13 non-lifelong Conservative Republican presidential candidates. Even if we'd consolidated to just 1 lifelong Conservative Republican they'd still overwhelmed us.

We need to excise the GOP-e from the party itself ~ just boot them out ~ I propose a corporate coup, rather like a leveraged buy-out. First, set up a New RNC ~ a totally new corporate entity, and Second, invite state Republican parties to send a representative to an organizational meeting.

Some states would not be invited. Some other states would be directed to not send specific personnel as representatives.

The NEWRNC would have all new rules that lodge more authority in the hands of the states regarding Presidential selection practices and policies.

No one associated in anyway with the GOP-e would be allowed to attend any NEWRNC event nor advise any NEWRNC registered candidates in state party primaries.

28 posted on 01/04/2013 1:27:15 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: JRandomFreeper

JRF: “I thought they did that (stack the deck against conservatives) at the convention.”

Yep. And they already have the deck stacked against us in many of the primaries. I honestly think RINOs hate conservatives, especially social conservatives, more than the left. They see us as the anchor that’s holding the Republican Party down.

They’re probably right, but don’t ask me what they stand for. Seriously. I haven’t a clue what a RINO really wants. They’ve proven they aren’t fiscally conservative, and they’re downright hostile toward us bitter clingers.

We’re expected to support their lame ass, moderate candidates (and we do), but they’ve proven in Indiana and Missouri that they’ll actually side with Democrats to beat us. We’re not only warring against the left. We’re fighting the mushy middle! We have no hope against the Democrats if we can’t even wrest control of the so-called party of small government!


29 posted on 01/04/2013 1:28:16 PM PST by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: Bratch

They are so clueless it’s comical. The more they try to stuff RINO’s into DC, the faster the party falls apart. I for one will NEVER vote Republican again unless they put up a true fighter. They can just kiss it all good-by.


30 posted on 01/04/2013 1:33:51 PM PST by AdaGray (squi)
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To: Gaffer

I vote against Tom Cole (my RINO representative) every chance I get, because he’s a reliable vote for the mushy middle (voted Yes on the fiscal deal). He likes to claim he’s a conservative, but he’s a compassionate conservative, aka fiscal liberal, in the Bush mold. Unfortunately, prying one of these losers out of their cushy DC jobs is a major undertaking.


31 posted on 01/04/2013 1:38:30 PM PST by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: Perdogg
13 years before it had any electorial success.

Don't look to the GOP for electoral success. They have this habit of losing badly. Dole, McCain, Romney...

/johnny

32 posted on 01/04/2013 1:39:29 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Bratch

They’re not trying to fix any primary problem. The people voting for a nominee is not the problem. At this very minute, the powers that be are choosing who the next nominee will be, and then they will game the system so that only that person can get nominated. If that means compressed primaries or extended primaries, that what they will do.


33 posted on 01/04/2013 1:40:49 PM PST by cotton1706
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To: Servant of the Cross

Thank you for that info, I thought that the tone of this article sounded a bit too gloating. I was already suspicious as I saw it was from Politico.


34 posted on 01/04/2013 1:45:10 PM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Bratch

It is funny that if these same establishment Republicans had there way there would be no Marco Rubio, Rand Paul, Pat Toomey, Tim Scott, Kelly Ayote, Ron Johnson, Ted Cruz, etc. etc. You know, the people that the GOP-e are holding out as saving the Republican Party. The self delusion and absolute cookiness of the GOP-e is alarming.

Was Todd Akin even the Tea Party candidate? I believe the answer is, no, he was not. Truth, who the hell needs that. I swear, the MSM has its hands right up the arses of these GOP-e types and is playing them like puppets. Whatever the MSM tells them to think and do, they do.

Do some Tea Party candidates end up being clunkers? Yes, but just as many if not more establishment, stand for nothing types end up losers. Again, damn the facts, we need to control primaries.


35 posted on 01/04/2013 1:47:16 PM PST by FlipWilson
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To: Proud2BeRight

Same here. I am utterly disgusted with myself for giving in to Romney after swearing, post-McCain, that I wouldn’t. Well, at least I’ve learned that it doesn’t matter, a RINO won’t win anyway, so I have no need to injure my conscience ever again. I wish Nero II hadn’t had to be re-elected for me to learn this.


36 posted on 01/04/2013 1:50:13 PM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Truth29

I think the only power that the establishment “right” is interested in is personal power and the power to attain wealth. The “true believers”, such as exist, are on the left.


37 posted on 01/04/2013 1:52:52 PM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: FlipWilson
Ted Cruz... The GOP-e here in Texas, and one, here on FR, fought hard against Cruz. That's the reason I have the Boot Dewhurst in 2014 pinglist. The GOP-e needs to retire to their ranches.

/johnny

38 posted on 01/04/2013 2:02:09 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: cotton1706

And I suspect that chosen nominee is Jeb Bush.


39 posted on 01/04/2013 2:05:08 PM PST by erkelly (Never underestimate the stupidity of the stupid party!)
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To: Bratch
I would love to see Sarah Palin and Allen West collaborate to start a 3rd Party RIGHT NOW, in time for the mid-terms in 2014, to field Candidates in local, state, and National Elections, to oust every GOP-e Candidate at ALL levels to get started.

Then, in 2016, a Presidential run could have a good chance of snow-balling the Candidates of that 3rd Party to counter-balance the Lefties (those with both D's and R's next to their names).

40 posted on 01/04/2013 2:05:27 PM PST by traditional1 (Amerika.....Providing public housing for the Mulatto Messiah)
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To: Bratch
They better be more concerned with the Independent Party....

Plenty of ex-Pubbies I know...are re-registering.

41 posted on 01/04/2013 2:08:55 PM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: Perdogg
Canadian's?

Whatever........

42 posted on 01/04/2013 2:12:56 PM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: Bratch; hummingbird; kristinn; All

Our Political System is dependent upon the system that the candidate with the most votes wins. Thus, in a race with 3 candidates, the winner could win with 33 % of the votes cast plus one vote.

The major problem is that it is nearly impossible for one of the two largest parties to lose. Hence, there is NO change.

The two largest parties, call them ‘Tweedle Dumb’ and ‘Tweedle Dumber,’ will fight tooth and nail to prevent an election rule change to stipulate that the winning candidate must get 50 % of the votes cast plus one vote.

Thus, until election laws are changed to permit the 50 % plus one vote victory rule, a third party, such as the Tea Party, will be seen as a voter block at best.

IMHO, the best course is to dedicate a given amount of ya’lls time between now and November, 2014 to taking over the sorry RINO functions in your local area, County and State.

State at your first meeting your primary goals, and ask all in attendance to “Lead, Follow, or GET OUT OF THE WAY!”


43 posted on 01/04/2013 2:13:33 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Commune Obama"care" violates Anti-Trust Laws, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: traditional1
I would love to see Sarah Palin and Allen West collaborate to start a 3rd Party RIGHT NOW,

************

Plenty of 3rd parties out there now. All they have to do is hitch onto one and have some semblance of a structure in place. The question becomes which one and really is Palin/West going to be the leaders?

44 posted on 01/04/2013 2:20:30 PM PST by deport
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To: Bratch

In states where they control the legislature and Governor, they could start by requiring a runoff when no primary candidate gets a majority. That would at least put an end to candidates who couldn’t win a majority of the Republican vote getting the nomination because they got 32% in a six way race. It would also greatly reduce the incentive for Democrats to run ads aimed at getting an idiot, Akin, the nomination. If the best they can do is get an Akin into a runoff, they are far less likely to bother.


45 posted on 01/04/2013 2:40:45 PM PST by Pilsner
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To: Bratch
They either don't "get it," or they "get it" and don't want any part of being affiliated with the conservative movement. Either way, if they continue to treat conservatives like the plague the GOP will go under because the conservatives will indeed leave the party and start a new one.

I wonder if this comment will need to be reviewed as well? Guess we'll see......

46 posted on 01/04/2013 3:10:10 PM PST by ducttape45 (Can you tell I'm angry?)
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To: deport

The GOP-e is still seething over what hoops they had to jump through to save Murkowski’s seat from Miller.


47 posted on 01/04/2013 3:11:48 PM PST by txhurl
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To: txhurl

Yep that was some hoops to be able to win that election via a write in process.


48 posted on 01/04/2013 3:21:32 PM PST by deport
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To: erkelly; JRandomFreeper
And I suspect that chosen nominee is Jeb Bush.

Bingo. Backwards planning is taking place. Bush trial balloon threads are already showing up on FR with regularity. By spring, 2015 we'll see full blown Jeb glory threads liberally smattered with glamor images of the Bush clan. Count on it.

49 posted on 01/04/2013 3:41:52 PM PST by TADSLOS (I took extra credit at the School of Hard Knocks)
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To: Perdogg
You can go to a third party, but don’t expect electoral success any time soon.

I'm not sure how much more Republican "success" we can stand. If this is "winning", how bad can "losing" be?

Remember that the last real Republican governing coalition was forged from the right, through Reagan. Freed from the stench of today's GOP-E, we could at least attempt to rebuild that coalition. It's clear the leaders of today's party stand for nothing except extending their own influence.

50 posted on 01/04/2013 3:46:50 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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