...she loves the 175 gr. Silvertips.
Posted on 01/09/2013 5:37:14 AM PST by bestintxas
The 9mm is a great round, and in my last concealed carry post I covered some great concealed carry guns built around that caliber. However, there are a lot of handguns in larger calibers that are perfect for concealed carry as well -- that are also designed for concealed carry -- and these guns carry the benefit of having more knock down power, or more one-shot stopping power.
Specifically, I'm thinking about handguns chambered in .40 and .45 caliber.
To cover these rounds, I'm going to examine the Glock 27 in .40, the Smith & Wesson M&P in .45, and the Springfield XDS in .45.
Let's begin with the Glock 27.
Just as I wrote concerning the Glock 26 in an earlier post, the Glock 27 is as close to handgun perfection as mankind can witness in this world. It is compact, unbelievably durable, and it shoots any kind of factory-loaded ammo you want to put through it.
Like the Glock 26 in 9mm, the Glock 27 in .40 provides great second shot accuracy for those who take the time to practice, practice, practice. Unlike the 26, the model 27 shoots the potent .40 cal round. This round is very popular with federal agencies and police departments and is a concealed carry staple because of its raw stopping power.
For anyone unfamiliar with the .40 cal round, it is slightly more expensive to buy than 9mm, but not significantly so. And plus-P hollow points in .40 cal are simply a force to be reckoned with.
The Glock 27 comes standard with two 9 round magazines, and it's so popular that accessories galore -- holsters, lights, lasers, etc. -- are readily available for it.
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Excellent post; and thanks.
I bought my 27 from someone who figured the 23 was just as easy to carry but fit his hand better and held 4 more rounds. I added a small extension on my carry mag to get an extra round and part of a third finger on the handle, and it is just about perfect now for me.
I said, "Gee, I gotta have one of these, only smaller."
There are a lot who will disagree. Care to expound upon your assertion?
TSA runs the .40 so there will be warehouses of that around too.
While I'm not at all a strong proponent of the 9mm, bullet design has come a long way since the 80's. (Actually, I'll amend that comment - if a 9mm is the largest round a person can shoot well and train with regularly, then it's probably the very best round for them).
I'm not surprised at all about what you say, particularly if the 9mm was a FMJ which minimizes bullet deformation and consequently, tissue damage. One advantage of the .45 FMJ (apart from it's much higher sectional density) is that its lower velocity actually results in the projectile frequently stopping in the body which results in 100% of its kinetic energy being expended on the target.
The smaller caliber, higher velocity, 9mm FMJ will frequently penetrate the target completely, expending the majority of its kinetic energy in the wall or hillside behind the target. Newer projectile designs for the 9mm are far more effective in deforming and stopping in the target, as well as expanding to create larger wound channels.
Even the Corps sometimes has a kid who can’t hit the broad side of a barn. One was a kid in my platoon from TN, First name David, Middle name Crockett, Last name ____________ . Worst shooter I’ve ever seen.
Hits.
It's about hits under pressure.
IF you can get hits in the right place, repeatably, under stress, with 10mm, .44 mag, or whatever, good.
Most average range shooters I run across have trouble with the "one-shot stop" rounds. I shot my europellet gun (Glock 17) recently in a training setting with some serious keyboard commandos using .45ACP compacts, and, although I am not a great shooter, I averaged 30-40% more hits per scenario. A friend who is very competitive in IDPL competition shoots a 9 for exactly this reason.
Find out what you can hit with, train with it, and stick to it.
4 hits with a .22 beats 4 misses with a .44.
I wish a 38 sp and 357 Mag had been compared in there.
...she loves the 175 gr. Silvertips.
THAT is a Sergeant Major.
I got roped into having drinks with a Marine Lieutenant General one evening years ago- in civvies and in town. He asked me to address him by his first name. I was a Corporal at the time. I think I sat at attention and called him 'Mike Sir' all evening. Nice guy, just wanted to relax and knock a few back and chat.
I can hear the voice of my Senior in my mind's ear: "Oh- you're just drinking buddies with the General huh?" :-)
I just bought 2 ten round sig sauer p250 compacts. One .40 and the other .45. Really nice.
The Springfield Armory XDS .45 is 7 in the mag, 1 in the tube the XDM sub compact with the grip extender carries 16 in the mag and 1 in the tube. Safety wise they are equal but the XDM gives you more firepower.
Says my CWP instructor.
RE: If a pistol really had “knock down power”, it would knock YOU down has you fired it. It’s the law of physics.
What you’re talking about is severity of impact from different mass and velocity of bullets, not “knock down”.
With all due respect.
I miss listening to the Old Corps guys like that Sergeant Major. The one I had in Vietnam had been wounded at Iwo and he was amazing to listen to. The Marine Corps is made up of some great people and I treasure the times when I can listen to their stories. You should hear the things the Marines today have to say about their time in Iraq and Afghanistan - we have some great young Marines now and I'm proud of them.
the tool of your choice chambered in .357 Sig will work nicely
Age changes perspective, I guess. I routinely interact with folks that would've astronomically outranked me way back then, but now we're first names only.
Agree on the current crop of Marines.
See my post #74.
For a fat pistol Glocks are.
1911. John Moses Browinging knew what he was doing. Want a concealed carry 1911, get a Commanders model. Smaller, yet, shoots amazingly. Best trigger in the world. My daily carry: Kimber Ultra Carry in basic black with a Galco Miami Classic shoulder rig. For pants and an overshirt, a simple Galco IWB holster.
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