Posted on 01/09/2013 1:04:38 PM PST by Nachum
Sounds like he’s gone all Jon Huntsman on us.
Sounds like he’s gone all Jon Huntsman on us.
by definition, conservatives look to preserve tradition... whatever that may be. to resist change. to conserve.
libertarians look for smaller govt interference and personal responsibility (I’m completely ignoring the drug crazed nut jobs, they are big ‘L’ Libertarians)... it’s more of an ideology, a working philosophy with a goal to maximize liberty while keeping the govt strong enough to perform its tasks. (they are not anarchists)
the two are not necessarily aligned... they just happen to be currently.
I hope you are right, although I’m skeptical. I know far too many social conservatives who want everything to be a federal law. That includes about half my family.
Conservatives are conservative, not libertarians, libertarians are part of the radical left, but who agree with conservatives on economic issues.
Libertarianism is a modern alternative to the democrat party, and typical, routine liberalism, yet while still leading the fight against conservatism with a fresh new approach that fits the times. It gives the chance for some liberals to leave the democrats and take over the right from within.
What a crock, you use updated language to accomplish leftist goals.
Just as the right starts growing ways to defeat the leftist gains of the last 50 years, the libertarians came up to change the language while preserving the end goals of abortion and the homosexual agenda.
Here is the leftists agenda hidden behind the Libertarian Party curtain.
Libertarian Party Platform:
Throw open the borders completely; only a rare individual (terrorist, disease carrier etc.) can be kept from freedom of movement through “political boundaries”.
Homosexuals; total freedom in the military, gay marriage, adoption, child custody and everything else.
Abortion; zero restrictions or impediments.
Pornography; no restraint, no restrictions.
Drugs; Meth, Heroin, Crack, and anything new that science can come up with, zero restrictions.
Advertising those drugs, prostitution, and pornography; zero restrictions.
Military Strength; minimal capabilities.
First let me say that the average college mush head that calls himself a Libertarian is typically just an idealist who wants to legalize weed and pursue a peacenik foreign policy. Those types are the ones that identify as Libertarian, turn out to the Ron Paul rallies for the party, but never actually vote or end up voting for Obama. So for purposes of this discussion, I agree that there are a lot of these idiots that are really just liberals.
Saying that though, you should consider that there really are a growing number of people who just don’t care whether gays get married, but can plainly see that we can’t sustain this growing entitlement state. There are lot of folks here like that actually. They just aren’t interested in fighting about cultural/social stuff. You can win them over on an issue like cutting Planned Parenthood if you just leave it at “we don’t have the money for that stuff”. The minute you start talking morality, you lose these types because they tend have a “I’ll leave you alone, you leave me alone” attitude.
My main problem with a lot of these more prominent/vocal Libertarian types (again, some right here on FR), who are generally some degree of Ron Paul supporter, is that they have a tendency to buy into loopy conspiracy theories which blows their credibility to pieces. I can’t figure out how these people, who can be so right about debt and deficits, invariably start spouting off about Neo-Cons (aka Jews) and Israel being responsible for most of the evil in the world. It’s like one minute you are debating Austrian economics and the next they off on a tangent about how Bush planned 9-11 so the Globalists could take over Iraq. Anyway, they aren’t all like that obviously, but so many of them are it is hard to take any of the various Libertarian movements seriously.
Anyway, like or not, our society is becoming far more libertine. In our winner take all 2 party system with no chance of coalition government, I fully expect the GOP to begin dropping any emphasis on social issues. At minimum, more and more Republicans are likely to be for ending the drug war, and getting out of the business of legislating on social order stuff like gambling, prostitution, etc. They will probably pay lip service to the big issues like abortion and traditional marriage, but I doubt they make any real legislative moves on that front.
“I’m not in favor of gun control, I think 11-year old girls should be able to by shoulder-laaunched SAMs for gosh sakes.”
HA! I knew you were a sinking commie! 9 year-old girls should have them (and boys when they turn 18 after proving they are as mature as a 9 year-old girl).
Seriously, though, the overwhelming majority of libertarians want the same thing: most decisions made at the STATE level as mandated by the Constitution. Yes, that includes dope (although forcing kids to take them at the direction of their parents is very un-libertarian). Listen, let Californians kill themselves with junk. If the feds were neutered in fact the way they are neutered by the Constitution, that wouldn’t be an issue. Just don’t claim a right to regulate drug laws based on the Commerce Clause and then say it doesn’t apply for federal laws on firearms.
Support the Constitution at the federal level and then fight the libertarians at the state level. Heck, I’ll probably be right there with you, but *not* at the federal level. That’s not a power granted by the Constitution to the Federal Government.
That’s why I’m so frustrated with this “libertarian” vs. “conservative” BS. It’s a made-up argument by the left to neuter those who want the Constitution actually implemented.
I have never been a republican, nor a member of your GOP.
What libertarians are out to destroy is conservatism, conservatives are having to fight the left whether they call themselves moderates or libertarians.
Either way, the left grows and has many different uniforms to seduce people with, the coolest for the indoctrinated young and the Bill Mahers, is to be libertarian, that way they can remain liberal and still complain about taxes.
Most of what you wrote is utter crap, if for no other reason that the LP speaks for a very small number of libertarian leaning conservatives.
I disagree with the LP’s positions on a number of items, especially national defense. However, most of what libertarians (not Libertarians) oppose are FEDERAL laws based on the idea that the Commerce Clause lets the Federal Government do anything.
Yeah. He has said that if Obama got re-elected which he did that he feels that he will have problems trying to get information out because the government will try to stop everyone who disagrees with them. Then after the election he began to worry about the fact time is running out to get the message out and do something.
He has said he was expecting Romney to win and for him to have more time to improve and set up the network. Then he was planning a vacation and to rest, but he became real worried by Obama’s re-election that he is now doing things twice as fast. His plans for the next five years have been sped up.
I do hope he can get his ideology figured out because for the entire time I have followed him he has called himself independent, anti-progressive, conservative or libertarian. I just assumed he was a libertarian-conservative. But now he is all over the map, a bit.
He seemed to agree with conservatives for various years and in the last election. he used to say he likes but hardly agrees with Penn Jillett. And he supported Rick Santorum and Michele Bachmann. But he is waffling as he called himself a conservative on air in October and now he says he is more libertarian. So it is a conflict he has had for years. he actively had to speak out against Ron Paul last year because Beck has always been discussing muslim extremism and islamofascism and supported Israel. But does Ron Paul agree? No. SO after the comments that he got booed at in the debates, Glenn Beck called him out. So he has irked libertarians before. He heavily into Israel and the Muslim issues the past two years.
Oh yes, there are some of these types still around. Kind of in the Mike Huckabee mold. It's just that, quite frankly, people with this point of view are dying out. The younger generations are far, far more libertine - so much so that many won't even consider the Republican Party because of it's positions on social issues. But sure, get an argument over porn going on a conservative site like this one and you'll still find social conservatives that want to ban it - and yes, hire how ever many agents it took to censor the internet clean of the scourge of porn.
Boortz is a big Libertarian (drug-addled, faggot-loving baby-killer)
If I really think hard about his business model, his legal team would counsel against militancy; his impetus for digging stuff up would need to move to other mantles or become extremely depressing; and finally, his needs require including others that will also move the business forward, in media, technologies, businesses, manufacturing, entertainment, etc.
The thought of getting the dirt on 0bama or Jarrett or Axelrod now makes for a Breitbart scenario. Air bubble injection, anyone?
big ‘L’ Libertarian platform. not the same
libertarians are essentially classic liberals... the same liberals that founded the country. they were/are pro country, pro personal responsibility, and pro small govt. personal responsibility and small govt yields pro gun and pro personal protection. pro small govt means low taxes and minimal intrusion into your personal life. which also means the govt has no say over religious organizations and personal relationships (4th amendment). the govt cannot force any church to perform any act... let alone an act that is counter to their beliefs.
today’s ‘liberal’ is a progressive... pro big govt socialists pushing towards communism
Big L, little l, more liberal nonsense, they are exactly the same, they are libertarians, in fact the party is the truer, braver libertarians, they actually put it into a party platform and fight for it.
The party is where libertarianism meets the road, faces the public.
The hypocrites and phonies support libertarians yet deny it, all at the same time.
They are the Ted Kennedy types of “I’m personally opposed, but....”. Some of them are even worse, they claim “I’m with you conservatives, I’m one of you, but...”.
Me, either. I would have accepted it if Beck were honest in pushing Romney in the primaries, but he wasn’t. He trashed Gingrich in the most dishonest ways. He was polite to Santorum and Perry only after if was obvious that they were not viable. Again, if he had been honest and just said that he had to support his fellow Mormon, I would have accepted that.
By the way, the most disgusting thing that you guys claim is that America was founded on abortion, hookers, and abortion and being colonized by third world peoples, etc.
If you told the American people of 1790 your platform, you would all be lynched.
They would not be agreeing with you.
Sodom and Gomorrah had plenty of leftists and libertarians to argue over taxes, but darn few conservatives.
Beck was sneaky in the way that he supported Romney and was anti-Palin, at least early on.
You missed it, as I did at first. It’s not the “hosts” far left, far right, it’s the guests from the far left and far right hollering at each other on air.
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