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S.E. Cupp Goes Off on Eric Holder for Wanting to Shame Gun Owners: ‘It Makes My Blood Boil’
The Blaze ^ | 1-11-13 | Becket Adams

Posted on 01/12/2013 9:25:05 AM PST by Mozilla

Attorney General Eric Holder made headlines this week after it was discovered that he once said gun owners should be “shamed” into giving up their firearms.

And The Blaze’s S.E. Cupp was not impressed with his remarks.

“I cannot tell you how offended I am to hear Eric Holder, or anyone, talking about shaming gun owners,” Cupp said during a Thursday broadcast of “Real News” on Blaze TV. “I feel it inside. It makes my blood boil, because it so fundamentally misunderstands the Second Amendment.”

“The idea that he would paint me with the same brush as some criminal that he’s talking about is so offensive, but that is so common because most people who talk about gun control don’t distinguish,” she added.

“They are making law abiding gun owners defend their rights, which are already on the books.”

(Excerpt) Read more at theblaze.com ...


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KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; guncontrol; gunrights; guns; secondamendment; secupp
The video is at the link.

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1 posted on 01/12/2013 9:25:09 AM PST by Mozilla
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To: Mozilla
My newest photomeme, please share, especially with your liberal friends and family.


2 posted on 01/12/2013 9:26:59 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Mozilla

H0lder IS a criminal for his involvement in the government’s gun law riots at Waco and Ruby Ridge.


3 posted on 01/12/2013 9:29:07 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Mozilla

Eric Holder is going to try to “shame” somebody. LOL!


4 posted on 01/12/2013 9:30:59 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Impeach Obama Now.)
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To: Mozilla
Chief Justice John Roberts has already proven we are no longer a nation of laws. Whatever you want them to mean is just fine. Not that I care, but it would be interesting to see what would happen if the 2nd amendment ever came before that 'august' body.
5 posted on 01/12/2013 9:41:20 AM PST by jakota (jakota)
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To: Mozilla

I’m not defending Holder, but these remarks were made in the 90s at the height of the gangbangerr culture in cities. These were the days when a kid was being killed or wounded in NYC every few days (before Rudy). Having a “9” was a symbol of success and power in the hood. So people like Holder believed they had to change that image and make guns less attractive to the teen males in cities. It was not, at the time, aimed at the guy who’d take his mini14 to the range or the fields twice a week and fire off ahundred rounds. It probably is today, but when a person’s words from 18 years ago are used to argue against them today context matters and in this case Cupp got the context, if not Holder’s beliefs, wrong.


6 posted on 01/12/2013 9:46:12 AM PST by xkaydet65
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To: Travis McGee

Good job. Would recommend editing for word count. Photomemes are best with the fewest words.


7 posted on 01/12/2013 9:46:51 AM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: Paladin2
H0lder IS a criminal for his involvement in the government’s gun law riots at Waco and Ruby Ridge.

Er, Ruby Ridge happened in 1992, during the GWH Bush administration. I doubt Holder had anything to do with it.

8 posted on 01/12/2013 9:48:13 AM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: okie01

“The Randy Weaver/Ruby Ridge trial get underway in April 1993. (the one where Gerry Spence made the DOJ his bitch) Spinning & neutralizing the grotesque facts that came out in that trial would have been job #1 for the FBI & DOJ, and Clinton’s/Reno’s chief “fixer” Holder. “


9 posted on 01/12/2013 9:56:27 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Mozilla

Hilarious—The Left effectively eliminated shame as a societal/cultural guardrail decades ago. The tactic now is to bully opponents into submission using the media strong-arm.

What gun haters are learning is that law-abiding gun owners won’t bend over like RINO politicians, and it’s driving them crazy.


10 posted on 01/12/2013 9:59:46 AM PST by Arm_Bears (Ted Kennedy's Oldsmobile has killed more people than my guns.)
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To: okie01

” In both Ruby Ridge and Waco, Eric Holder was heavily involved (he wrote the rules of engagement for Ruby Ridge while on the plane traveling there) and in both cases, innocent people died. His career should have been over at that point. When Obama hired him I figured it was only a matter of time until he caused more deaths. “


11 posted on 01/12/2013 10:03:20 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Mozilla

12 posted on 01/12/2013 10:10:13 AM PST by indianrightwinger
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To: Paladin2
” In both Ruby Ridge and Waco, Eric Holder was heavily involved...

So was Lon Horiuchi (pos).

5.56mm

13 posted on 01/12/2013 10:10:58 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: xkaydet65

He was speaking of the shaming of cigarette smokers as to what should be done to gun owners.


14 posted on 01/12/2013 10:12:50 AM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: M Kehoe
Mr. Lon seems to have dropped out of sight in the last couple of years.

H0lder continues to carry on.

15 posted on 01/12/2013 10:17:21 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

Should we assume that holder wants the guns delivered to his office so that he can personally escort them to Mexico into the hands of the peaceful, gun-hating cartels?

Which begs the question: How much money has holder received from Mexican drug cartels, where is it, and has he paid his fair share based on that income?


16 posted on 01/12/2013 10:42:39 AM PST by DPMD
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To: Paladin2
H0lder continues to carry on.

As of this date, neither have been prosecuted for murder.

Some animals are more equal than others...

5.56mm

17 posted on 01/12/2013 10:43:02 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: Travis McGee

bfl


18 posted on 01/12/2013 12:02:31 PM PST by RetAF_fedUP (No moral value held dear by the American people obliges public servants ever to sacrifice innocents)
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To: Mozilla

I know this is about S.E. Cupp, not the NRA, but this reminds me of something important.

I believe if this thing turns into Civil War, the birth of a police state or even just a few Waco-like incidents, historians will look back and lay some of the blame on prominent conservatives for refusing to talk about the elephant in the room.

To be more specific, the NRA issued a statement this week about how disappointed they were that the President is going back to the same old playbook. Well, that’s fine, but what they should have done is walked out of the meeting and told the President they would be back to discuss gun violence when the guy who got two U.S. Border agents and 14 innocent Mexican high school kids killed had been given his walking papers. Then they should have added that having a discussion on gun violence with Eric Holder in the room makes about as much sense as discussing it with Adam Lanza.

Yeah, the press would have howled, but everyone would have been talking about Fast & Furious again for a couple of days, and the dead would have been honored instead of forgotten.


19 posted on 01/12/2013 12:28:48 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Don't worry about the cliff. We're going to all land on some rich guy's wallet.)
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To: xkaydet65
Holder's remarks do not gain validity because of the context, nor do they become excusable with time.

Holder's fundamental proposition is that gun owners should be shamed. If we accept the argument that in context this means 'urban teens murdering other teens' as you suppose, we are still left with the original question: Why did Holder believe that a person who is not "shamed" by the murder of another human being would be "shamed" by the ownership of the weapon by which this was accomplished? For those who had not committed a crime, why did Holder believe that a person illegally possessing a handgun would be "shamed" by the ownership of a specific weapon if he was not "shamed" by the illegality of owning it to begin with?

There are two answers, and neither makes your case. First, that Holder is attempting to deliberately confuse the rampant illegality in black culture with the lawful possession of firearms. This allows "his people" to continue to refuse to take responsibility for the violence of their inner city culture, and lays the blame at the feet of his political enemies: law abiding citizens who do not belong to that culture, but who coincidentally own guns, and who are blamed (not, coincidentally) as racists for every other problem in that culture.

In other words, whether in 1995 or 2013 or 2050, the excuse is the same: Law-abiding people are to blame for the problems of the black inner city, and it is always somebody else's fault.

The second reason is a much more cynical one. Holder knows perfectly well that this will not solve the problem of inner city violence, but he also knows there are enough stupid people in the country who can be fooled into thinking it will if the lie that the gun is at fault for the evil it facilitates is repeated over and over again. Sandy Hook is a different kind of opportunity, because it involves white children. But it is the same political game as ever: use stupid, primarily emotion driven people to acquire political power in pursuit of a "problem" which politics cannot solve.

20 posted on 01/12/2013 1:02:16 PM PST by FredZarguna (In a well-regulated FReeper den, the right to create and deploy antimatter shall not be infringed.)
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To: Paladin2

Thank you for the clarification. I was unaware.


21 posted on 01/12/2013 1:15:50 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: FredZarguna

In that time many black “leaders” were trying to adjust Black culture. There was hope that communities could organize and stigmatize the bangers. Hope that kids would see that stigma and not follow the gangs. At that time i taught many kids from Queensbridge Houses in NYC. There was a definite effort to recruit NBA players like Vern Fleming who hailed from “the Bridge” to publicize their oposition to the banger culture.I had 8th grade kids whose idea of a good essay topic was explaining their desire to own a “9” and have some bitches at their beck and call. We actually were given Board of Ed lesson plans on stigmatizing the banger culture and the gun culture. They did not involve stigmatizing legal gun owners in Onondaga County or Rockland county. That was the gist and context of the 95 remarks by Holder. Now? It’s a different story.


22 posted on 01/12/2013 1:28:39 PM PST by xkaydet65
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To: DPMD
...How much money has holder received from Mexican drug cartels, where is it, and has he paid his fair share based on that income?

A great question. Here's another. In the service of the cartels and Hezbollah, who's really higher on the organization chart, Holder or Obama?

23 posted on 01/12/2013 1:53:03 PM PST by Stentor (Shhhh!)
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To: xkaydet65
In that time many black “leaders” were trying to adjust Black culture.

I suppose one of the benefits of getting old is that you forget the past, however unpleasant it might be.

Unfortunately, I don't suffer from it even though my children remind me constantly that I was not born yesterday.

The refusal of black "leaders" to take responsibility did not begin at the start of the Twenty First Century, and by 1995 was in fact WELL underway, your own parochial experience notwithstanding. There has never been a serious undertaking to change the culture of dependency, misogyny and violence in inner city culture. If anything, the effort has been to promote it. Or have you been paying no attention to the vulgarity and increasing depravity of the Hip Hop era, and everything that goes with it?

Those of us whose memories did not begin recently recall Eric Holder from the Clinton administration. He was a gun grabber who full-throatedly supported the "assault weapons ban" in 1994 and has never seen a gun regulation of any kind that he couldn't support. The history of racism rampant in departments and sub-departments under his control is well and publicly documented.

It strains credulity that Holder decided to take a break from either his anti-Second Amendment activities in the US Justice Department or his career racism in order to participate neutrally in a marginal outreach program being carried out in a New York school district; except perhaps to New Yorkers, who believe that the country, if not the universe, revolves around their petty concerns.

Fortunately, at least a few New Yorkers remembered the disastrous black "leadership" of David Dinkins, who did everything possible to encourage the rampant violence and excuse-making short of paying an actual bounty for it -- about which you claim black "leaders" were so concerned -- long enough to turf him out.

Ah, but that was up until 1993, which is perhaps not fixed well in your mind. By 1995 black "leadership" had become so much more responsible.

In the real world, Holder has a long history, and I'm content to let those with some familiarity with it, as well as his history of race hustling to judge his remarks for themselves.

24 posted on 01/12/2013 2:16:46 PM PST by FredZarguna (In a well-regulated FReeper den, the right to create and deploy antimatter shall not be infringed.)
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