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Does 2nd Amendment give right to armed revolt?
heraldandnews.com ^ | 13 January, 2013 | Joel Mathis

Posted on 01/14/2013 4:08:51 PM PST by marktwain

The renewed debate over gun rights that has followed the massacre of elementary schoolchildren in Newtown, Conn., has included scrutiny over why gun advocates believe they need a right to bear arms. Among the reasons: Many advocates believe that individual gun ownership helps preserve American liberty, making government fearful of trampling on rights of its citizens. If government goes too far, the argument goes, Americans have the right to revolt by force.

Is that argument correct? Or does it belong to fringe gun enthusiasts?

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; bloodoftyrants; constitution; govtabuse; guncontrol; revolution; secondamendment; tyranny; youwillnotdisarmus
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To: EricT.

Anything but firearms. No need to provide “ammunition” to the tyrants immediately.


101 posted on 01/14/2013 8:13:57 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: marktwain; All

Did anyone post a comment at the site? I cannot read them with this machine.


102 posted on 01/14/2013 8:24:09 PM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

It looks like you can, Mark..


103 posted on 01/14/2013 8:31:30 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (Psalm 83)
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To: marktwain
The US Constitution denies a "right to armed revolt" as long as it is in effect and the national government remains in compliance with the limitations on it's enumerated powers.

Absent that compliance........

IMHO

104 posted on 01/14/2013 8:35:11 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: marktwain

Folks what are we doing to mobilize for demonstrations? We need to get a million people in D.C. each carrying a wooden gun painted bright orange and march through the streets to show our solidarity. How does that Idea sound?


105 posted on 01/14/2013 8:59:30 PM PST by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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To: marktwain

The 2 Amendment is the tool. The right is in The Declaration of Independence “That when ever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter it or abolish it, and institute new Government’’.


106 posted on 01/14/2013 9:43:18 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Tublecane

Only direct taxes need to be uniform.

The Constitutional union is more perfect, compared to the perpetual union of the A of C.

Pretense to secession is a controvery: To be resolved by the supreme court.

The whiskey law was legal, passed by congress, signed by president. It was not tyrannical to enforce the law in the sense that the president did not elect himself, and did not pass the law himself, nor did he benefit from the law more than anyone else.

Was it a good law? Probably not, but that is not a necessary because every law is bad to someone.


107 posted on 01/15/2013 12:09:31 AM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Paladin2

This is not the goverment of free people,it is the puppet goverment of the new world order.Those of us who misses the America the free we grew up in,have no voice.We have no news,all we hear is lies from a bunch of paid liars.!If you belive either party you as close to being braindead as a human can get.


108 posted on 01/15/2013 2:06:37 AM PST by Whoru
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To: marktwain

A*hole author - Children were led into the Nazi gas chambers along with everyone else. I hope you don’t find yourself following others being led take a cleansing shower someday and reflect back on your idiocy!


109 posted on 01/15/2013 2:09:06 AM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: donmeaker

“Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God”,Thomas Jefferson


110 posted on 01/15/2013 3:02:50 AM PST by ballplayer
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To: ConradofMontferrat
OTH, don’t you realize that you would need to round up all the demoKaRATZ too?

I figured they were included under "TRAITORS" and didn't rate specific mention.


111 posted on 01/15/2013 6:02:37 AM PST by Iron Munro (I Miss America, don't you?)
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To: Iron Munro

HeeHeeHee

Sorry, I should have understood the obvious!!


112 posted on 01/15/2013 6:27:09 AM PST by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: ConradofMontferrat

HeeHeeHee
Sorry, I should have understood the obvious!!


113 posted on 01/15/2013 6:46:56 AM PST by Iron Munro (I Miss America, don't you?)
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To: Hot Tabasco

HT, I can’t find the definition of that, what language?


114 posted on 01/15/2013 7:00:09 AM PST by Rappini (Veritas vos Liberabit)
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To: ballplayer

Putting down insurrection is a power of the government, but also a right of people not in insurrection: to expect the government to enforce the law.

Keeping in mind that the rebellion in 1860-61 began before Lincoln took office, so there is nothing that Lincoln did in office that could possibly be used to justify the rebellion that actually took place.

The radical monetary policies pursued in 1787 by Rhode Island are interesting as a bad example, rather like California today. There was, apparently some consideration given to cutting RI up as an essential part of the Union per the A or C, but not protected by the provisions of the Constitution.

As for today, sadly, the American people put that turtle on the fence. My efforts currently focus on how to reduce the damage.


115 posted on 01/15/2013 11:08:33 AM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: SandRat

Yamamoto was a smart guy: Harvard Graduate.


116 posted on 01/15/2013 11:12:38 AM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: donmeaker

No, direct taxes need be apportioned among the states, except if they are income taxes according to the 16th amendment. Indirect taxes need be uniform. The Constitution verbatimly says “Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.”

That “more perfect” argument is among the weakest I’ve ever read. You are grasping at straws. Who’s to say a more perfect union wouldn’t be one which isn’t “perpetual”?

Since when does SCOTIS solve all controversies? Oh, right, never.

The whiskey law was not legal, for it failed the Constitution’s uniformity requirement.

When I said “Washington” I wasn’t thinking of the man himself, really, but the central government. It works, anyway, since he marched in the field against his own people for the sake of precious revenue.


117 posted on 01/15/2013 3:14:11 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: donmeaker

The rebellion began before Lincoln? Secession did, but Lincoln oddly didn’t do anything about it. It wasn’t until after Sumter that he blockaded ports and called for 75,000 troops. And it was that, not Lincoln’s election, which prompted the last 4 states to join the earlier 7 in the Confederacy.


118 posted on 01/15/2013 3:20:29 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane

The armed phase of the insurrection began when US forces were forced to surrender their posts to rebels.

Sadly, many of the US officers turned their coats after that.

Ft. Sumter and Ft. Pickens didn’t surrender before Lincoln took office. Ft. Pickens remained under US Government control throughout.

Ft. Sumter was not on South Carolina soil, being built by the US government on a shoal, below the waterline.


119 posted on 01/15/2013 9:18:24 PM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Tublecane

That would be the Constitution that requires controversies between various states, between states and the federal government to be resolved with the Supreme court as original jurisdiction.

You know, the constitution to which the people and the states as the agent of the people agreed? That constitution!


120 posted on 01/15/2013 9:21:21 PM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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