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Obama vows to 'vigorously pursue' gun control, prepares to release proposals
Fox News.com ^ | January 14, 2013

Posted on 01/14/2013 7:41:24 PM PST by Kaslin

President Obama says he plans to make public later this week the details of his plan to tighten firearms laws based on the findings of a White House task force he commissioned in the aftermath of the fatal Connecticut school shooting.

The task force was led by Vice President Joe Biden and held its final White House meeting Monday, talking with members of the House Democratic Gun Violence Prevention Task Force.

Obama said Monday he planned to meet with Biden to review the findings and will “vigorously pursue” the recommendations in the next few days.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment
Now we know for sure that a dictatorship is in the works
1 posted on 01/14/2013 7:41:31 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Does he have a proposal for getting guns out of the hands of criminals and gangstas?


2 posted on 01/14/2013 7:44:29 PM PST by doc1019
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To: doc1019

You’re joking aren’t you?


3 posted on 01/14/2013 7:47:17 PM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

Well, did I have it right. King Obama. He is a communists black Muslim and will become America’s first dictator. He has the backing of the MSM, the communists Democratic Party, and his appointed communists in his Administration. He cannot be stopped and we will have no action from the GOP. America is finished.


4 posted on 01/14/2013 7:47:33 PM PST by Logical me
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To: Kaslin

It is time for the mask to come off and for Obozo to be exposed for how ugly he truly is.

Are the “right people” ready to reveal his true nature? We shall see.


5 posted on 01/14/2013 7:49:21 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Kaslin

The last time a foreign ruler tried to disarm the American people, we all know what happened.


6 posted on 01/14/2013 7:51:41 PM PST by bunkerhill7 ( duhhhh)
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To: Kaslin

Hey Obama, since your for “Gun Control” maybe you should first look in the mirror, and ask yourself how come you gave guns to mexican drug dealers who went on to kill hundreds of people


7 posted on 01/14/2013 7:53:07 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Kaslin

If you consider that I have a perverse since of humor ... yes! LOL! ;-)


8 posted on 01/14/2013 7:53:07 PM PST by doc1019
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To: Kaslin

No! Wait a minute! Didn’t he disavow any interest in gun control when he was running in 2008? Has he “evolved” on this, too?

The man is a bald faced liar. I don’t know how so many Americans could be fooled, but we FReepers knew all along that Obama was pro-abortion, pro-sodomy, and pro-gun control. It’s what leftists do. They lie when it serves the cause, and they ALWAYS want more power.

The Democrats have been anti-liberty, immoral statists for a long time. They didn’t suddenly change in 2008. The only difference between then and now is they’re operating in the open now. That means they think they have the upper hand, and maybe they do. We’ll see.


9 posted on 01/14/2013 7:54:05 PM PST by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: Kaslin
I think the politician gun-free zone petition link should have this boilerplate reply... granted the 25k goal is arbitrary, but that is what it is, and can be reached in the next few days...

Eliminate armed guards for the President, Vice-President, and their families, and establish Gun Free Zones around them

10 posted on 01/14/2013 7:54:34 PM PST by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: Kaslin

Typical Obama BS.
He doesn’t even know what the recommendations are but he will vigorously pursue them.

“We have to pass the bill to find out what is in the bill”


11 posted on 01/14/2013 7:59:42 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Kaslin

The king has spoken! I expect limited opposition until Obama’s “Reichstag” moment.......The media will cooperate fully...


12 posted on 01/14/2013 8:01:24 PM PST by jakerobins
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To: Kaslin

“Now we know for sure that a dictatorship is in the works.”

There is no doubt.


13 posted on 01/14/2013 8:05:08 PM PST by Gator113
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To: Kaslin

Its really difficult to take these pronouncements seriously. Think back to jobs creation etc. Its all a bunch of mouth w/ this guy. The only think he’s pursued w/ great energy is vacation time and golf.

I think the reason he gave Biden the lead on ‘gun control’ is b/c if it crashes and burns (likely) Joe is the fall guy. W/ Barry it all about him all the time. History will talk about the 8 yrs the presidency was all but vacant. Even after 8 yrs Barry can still be called unaccomplished.


14 posted on 01/14/2013 8:07:30 PM PST by 556x45
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To: Kaslin
According to what Hussein said today to reporters and what's in this Fox article, he's going to release the 19 executive orders toward the end of this week, then, after his inauguration, he will send gun bills to congress for them to pass.

The rub is, he doubts congress will pass anything, so I expect his executive orders will be the big stick (or gun) to eliminate rifles, magazines, register new guns sold, maybe register “assault” rifles already in the public, limit amount of ammo one may buy, tax ammo, send all buyers for a mental test, require a person take a gun course before being able to get a gun of any kind, buy a permit and have to renew it every year, etc., etc.. Just don't know how many of those restrictions he may go for.

15 posted on 01/14/2013 8:13:20 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: doc1019

It wasn’t humor, it was sarcasm.


16 posted on 01/14/2013 8:17:34 PM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

I am hearing that the NRA is snubbing Gun Appreaciation Day and telling members of congress to boycott it. Are any of you hearing similar things?


17 posted on 01/14/2013 8:18:48 PM PST by Bull Man
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To: Kaslin

***Now we know for sure that a dictatorship is in the works ***

Will he declare Martial Law to implement his rule as Marcos did in the Philippines?


18 posted on 01/14/2013 8:19:23 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: 556x45

556x45 wrote:

” ....I think the reason he gave Biden the lead on ‘gun control’ is b/c if it crashes and burns (likely) Joe is the fall guy. W/ Barry it all about him all the time. .......”

Hit the nail on the head!

Your post should be the title of its own thread.

That should get the attention of some hot heads on here, and cool their jets some.

To those hot heads I say:

There’s a big difference between an EO and a proposal; an EO would’ve been done already, but what we see here is him saying he’s gonna do a PROPOSAL not an ORDER.


19 posted on 01/14/2013 8:20:27 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: Kaslin

See tagline.


20 posted on 01/14/2013 8:23:50 PM PST by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: CitizenUSA

Didn’t he disavow any interest in gun control when he was running in 2008?

YES. And say it to everyone you meet everyday all day.


21 posted on 01/14/2013 8:24:31 PM PST by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: Marcella

You’re probably right. Think taxes and bigger government, that’s really what hussein craves. If he can restrict our freedoms and remove some firearms from law abiding citizens hands, even better.


22 posted on 01/14/2013 8:25:35 PM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Kaslin

He has more flexibility now.


23 posted on 01/14/2013 8:33:05 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (TYRANNY: When the people fear the politicians. LIBERTY: When the politicians fear the people.)
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To: Marcella

I scanned the article and noticed these phrases:
“possible legislation” regarding bans,
“potential proposals” regarding tighter background checks.

At the end of the article it says even tho some folks think tougher laws are coming, the NRA doesn’t think the laws will get thru congress.

That leaves EO.....

and congressman stockman is on the record saying “if you do that, I’m having articles of impeachment drawn up!”


24 posted on 01/14/2013 8:34:01 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: Tzimisce; bunkerhill7

Thanks, you answered my question that I was going to ask bunkerhill7


25 posted on 01/14/2013 8:34:39 PM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

Yep, it’s gotten more obvious each and every day since 1/20/09.


26 posted on 01/14/2013 8:34:46 PM PST by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: Marcella

I think he is going to try and get all the NICS data from every sale since it was instituted, and begin defacto registration. He awakened a sleeping giant and he sees the need to back off...for now.


27 posted on 01/14/2013 8:41:15 PM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: WildHighlander57; All
Mark Levin also calls for Impeachment

Levin: If Obama sidesteps Congress on debt ceiling, ‘no choice’ but impeachment

28 posted on 01/14/2013 8:45:29 PM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: ez

If I’m not mistaken, all the NICS does is answer this question:

“Is it OK for Joe schmoe, age, weight, height, eye color, race to buy one of these: long gun, rifle, hand gun”?

Nowhere does it say what type I.E. ak47, Remington 870, etc.

Anybody that’s a FFL have any more info on what gets input into the NICS?

Oh, and by the way, the NICS check worked at Newtown; the perp tried to buy a weapon but was DENIED.

So he STOLE it and the car.


29 posted on 01/14/2013 8:59:59 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: Kaslin

Yup saw that one ..... at the end of the article it includes Rep. Stockman’s impeachment gauntlet throwdown :)


30 posted on 01/14/2013 9:05:24 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: WildHighlander57; ez
"If I’m not mistaken, all the NICS does is answer this question:

“Is it OK for Joe schmoe, age, weight, height, eye color, race to buy one of these: long gun, rifle, hand gun”?

Nowhere does it say what type I.E. ak47, Remington 870, etc."

You are not mistaken.

The 4473 is the form you fill out that details all of the information detailing the firearm purchased. Those forms are kept on file at the premises of the FFL that processed the transfer for a minimum of 20 years or until the time they dissolve the business when the forms are sent in.

In order to get the info the EO would have to demand that all FFL's send in their forms, which is a direct violation of law.

Not saying the law seems to matter much anymore, its just what it currently says

31 posted on 01/14/2013 9:20:59 PM PST by voteNRA (A citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized)
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To: ez

I googled the phrase “what information gets put into the NICS database”

One of the website excerpts said

“The National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) database lists people who are prohibited possessors.....”

OK anybody worried about already being listed now?

It looks like the info of the prospective buyer put in at the time of the background check only stays long enough to be matched (or not).


32 posted on 01/14/2013 9:25:01 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: 556x45

Yep. As long as Barry gets to see his name in the news and hear him self talk, he is happy.


33 posted on 01/14/2013 9:26:41 PM PST by matt04
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To: WildHighlander57; ez

Ez, heres where I found the info on wahts in the nics database:

http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/local/mental-health.shtml


34 posted on 01/14/2013 9:29:33 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: Kaslin

If Joe Biden is really engineer over this thing, it will ludicrously backfire. But he’s probably a figurehead of a figurehead.


35 posted on 01/14/2013 9:31:43 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: voteNRA

Many thanks!

Re 4473’s:

I remember many years ago hearing stories of the batfe hassling gun shops for the 4473s.

Re the NICS:

Then again, having done a background check doesn’t necessarily mean the guy or gal actually BOUGHT the weapon, correct?

I mean the credit card coulda gotten declined....


36 posted on 01/14/2013 9:34:31 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: WildHighlander57
"Then again, having done a background check doesn’t necessarily mean the guy or gal actually BOUGHT the weapon, correct?"

Correct again, in the case of a processed 4473 that did not result in a completed sale the FFL is required to keep the form on file for 5 years. The information on what exact firearm was attempted to purchase may or may not be filled out in section "D" in that case.

All the form would show was John Doe attempted to purchase a handgun, a long gun, or both.

In the case of a CC being denied that final section may be filled out detailing the exact purchase but I personally have never run into that.

37 posted on 01/14/2013 9:41:35 PM PST by voteNRA (A citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized)
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To: voteNRA
Last year I went to Academy and bought a Ruger 38 special. I filled out that form while I was waiting for the FBI check thing to go through. A man came to the counter and wanted to buy “x” gun. The clerk asked for ID which is the first thing a clerk does to sell a gun. The driver's license had a PO Box for an address. The clerk said he couldn't take a PO Box for an address and did he have anything with him that had his actual physical address. The guy looked in his wallet, then said he would go to his truck and see if he could find something there with his physical address. He never came back.

I think the driver's license was a fake because one can't get a driver's license using a PO Box for an address.

That man could not buy a gun. I wondered about this man - why did he have an illegal driver's license?

38 posted on 01/14/2013 9:58:58 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Bull Man
I am hearing that the NRA is snubbing Gun Appreaciation Day and telling members of congress to boycott it. Are any of you hearing similar things?

From where are you hearing this?

Is this like hearing that Walmart is suspending ammunition sales?

39 posted on 01/14/2013 10:22:12 PM PST by Washi (Socialism is Slavery)
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To: Marcella
I have no idea why he had the ID he had but the clerk was correct - you don't have to get past the first couple of lines on the 4473 to see that PO box address are not acceptable on the form, I think it may even be in bold :~)
40 posted on 01/14/2013 10:27:31 PM PST by voteNRA (A citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized)
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To: Kaslin

.....Which will result in a second civil war.


41 posted on 01/15/2013 2:12:59 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Marcella

“I think the driver’s license was a fake because one can’t get a driver’s license using a PO Box for an address.”

In NY you can get PO as address on your Drivers lic. MY licence lists a po box.


42 posted on 01/15/2013 3:32:18 AM PST by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: Kaslin
Obama vows to 'vigorously pursue' gun control

Mr. Obama is going to have to 'vigorously pursue' cover if he keeps this up.

43 posted on 01/15/2013 3:48:50 AM PST by tbpiper
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Kaslin.


44 posted on 01/15/2013 3:51:36 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: TalBlack
“In NY you can get PO as address on your Drivers lic. MY licence lists a po box.”

That's interesting. You can't be found using a PO Box for an address because you can't live in a PO Box.

You can't register to vote here without a physical address, can't use a PO Box as an address.

Maybe in New York, you CAN live in a PO Box??

45 posted on 01/15/2013 8:04:51 AM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: voteNRA; WildHighlander57

You are both mistaken. While the actual NICS check consists of only the info, handgun, long gun, or shotgun, the dealer is REQUIRED to keep on file all records of all sales going back until the NICS check was instituted. All Obama has to do is demand the records and threaten the gun shop with loss of their license if they don’t turn them over. Everything bought since 1996 is on file somewhere. Obama will go after those records.


46 posted on 01/15/2013 2:03:06 PM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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