Skip to comments.Paul Ryan: I support Marco Rubio on immigration
Posted on 01/14/2013 8:51:31 PM PST by SeekAndFind
What's the most interesting part of this? That he's reaching out to touch a third-rail issue, or that he's ducking behind one of his biggest rivals for the 2016 nomination to do it?
Go figure that a guy who was part of a ticket that lost by nearly 50 points among Latinos is eager to rehab on immigration:
Senator Rubio is exactly right on the need to fix our broken immigration system. I support the principles hes outlined: modernization of our immigration laws; stronger security to curb illegal immigration; and respect for the rule of law in addressing the complex challenge of the undocumented population. Our future depends on an immigration system that works.
He's not just paying lip service to the issue. Dem Rep. Luis Gutierrez, who once said that his only loyalty is to the immigrant community, met with Ryan last month to talk immigration and had encouraging things to say:
“What we did was just kind of catch up,” Gutierrez told me. Ryan and Gutierrez decided they want to “explore opportunities to work together.” Gutierrez, one of the House leaders on immigration issues — who has kept constant pressure on President Barack Obama to do more — is crossing the aisle as Republicans need very much to woo the fast growing number of Hispanic voters — who in large part rejected the Romney/Ryan ticket…
Not well known, Gutierrez noted, is that he and Ryan share some history: In 2005, Ryan was a co-sponsor of bipartisan and bi-cameral comprehensive immigration reform legislation carried in the House by Gutierrez and Rep. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.). “It wasn’t like it was a long line of Republicans supporting it. He’s always supported immigration reform,” Gutierrez said.
The inspiration for Ryan’s Facebook post is the glowing WSJ piece over the weekend heralding Rubio’s “charge up the middle” on immigration. But Mark Krikorian’s right: There’s little difference between Rubio’s basic principles for reform and the principles laid out by the White House in that recent NYT piece about their big upcoming push for an immigration bill. Here’s Rubio:
Politically hardest is the question of the up to 12 million illegals currently here. Mr. Rubio’s proposal allows for adults who overstayed their visa or sneaked in to come into the open.
“Here’s how I envision it,” he says. “They would have to come forward. They would have to undergo a background check.” Anyone who committed a serious crime would be deported. “They would be fingerprinted,” he continues. “They would have to pay a fine, pay back taxes, maybe even do community service. They would have to prove they’ve been here for an extended period of time. They understand some English and are assimilated. Then most of them would get legal status and be allowed to stay in this country.”
Legal status could lead to citizenship eventually, although Rubio doesn’t specify how long eventually might be. Now here’s the White House plan:
The White House will argue that its solution for illegal immigrants is not an amnesty, as many critics insist, because it would include fines, the payment of back taxes and other hurdles for illegal immigrants who would obtain legal status, the officials said.
The presidents plan would also impose nationwide verification of legal status for all newly hired workers; add visas to relieve backlogs and allow highly skilled immigrants to stay; and create some form of guest-worker program to bring in low-wage immigrants in the future.
As I recall, the bills championed by Bush and McCain six years ago also had provisions about fines, back taxes, etc. Any comprehensive plan has to: An unconditional amnesty would be too politically toxic to pass, but so would a bill that relegated illegals to perpetual second-class status by categorically refusing to grant eventual citizenship to them. Whatever ends up passing Congress will have a multi-step amnesty as part of it, which should be perfectly fine with Democrats. If they need to wait a few years for all of those new votes to show up at the polls, that’s okay; if they can get a bill passed and then chip away at it with court challenges in order to speed up the citizenship process, even better. The interesting thing here is why Ryan’s so eager to hug Rubio on it. I assume it’s because it’s arguably the least risky move he can make ahead of 2016. If he comes out strong for “enforcement first” and rejects any amnesty talk until there have been measurable improvements in border security, he’ll be hammered for compounding the GOP’s problems with Latinos, which makes him theoretically unviable in the general election. If he does the opposite and emerges on Rubio’s left by pushing a less conditional amnesty, now he’s suddenly vulnerable in the primary as a RINO. He knows that Rubio’s destined to be the Republican face of whatever happens in Congress and he also knows that conservatives will tread lightly in criticizing Rubio for whatever position he ends up taking lest they slip even further with Latinos in 2016, so Ryan’s doing the prudent thing — letting Rubio serve as lightning rod while he signals that he’s at least as open-minded and reformist on this issue as his rival is.
Allahpundit is a Rhino amnesty promoter along with the other
Lib Repub bloggers at that site.
It’s a disaster there since Malkin sold it !
Again, I am not surprised.
The GOPe will cave on every major issue and when 2014 comes around they will demand your vote and if you say NO, they will say you must want Democrats to win.
The Republican Party will never rise again.
Yes, I agree!!! Hotair use to be a fine place for conservatism but its been relegated to nothing more than a mouth piece for the Republican Establishment line thanks to Allahpundit
Yep. We’ve already granted enough amnesty.
They owe us twice on the border-protection part of the deal.
Giving them another amnesty is like giving the Dhimmis another tax increase with the promise to cut spending later.
So let me get this straight, Ryan was the last great hope to get the US economy straightened out by balancing budgets, cutting spending, and all that?
But now he supports legalizing those 20 million or so who are here destroying our economy by draining our social services, working under the table, not paying taxes, and cheating heartily on all manners of tax refunds they do not deserve? Does Ryan really believe if they are granted legal status that they will be so grateful that they will suddenly turn from plundering to playing a fair game?
How does that math add up, Paul?
The funny thing is that the birth rate in Mexico plummeting below Mexico, immigration probably won’t be a big issue in the future. How long is it before the majority of immigration is U.S. to Mexico.
It’s no surprise at all that Ryan will prove to be a liberal on immigration. What reason was there ever to believe he’d be anything but worthless on the issue?
Ryan apparently has a libertarian streak, so he’s probably delusional about the appeal of small government and the free market to immigrant communities.
Uhm Paul..Could you please save the union before you sell us out by legalizing 30 million illegals?
The GOP is dead to me. You should have heard my mom the other day when the called her for money. It was a sight to behold. The guy on the phone started arguing with her. DON’T EVER try to ‘out stubborn’ my mom. LOL!
It breaks her heart because she was such an activist for the GOP throughout her entire life (she used to drag me along to all of the for. We’re talking fighting Dixicrats, here in the South. I should write a novel. She has signed letters from many Republican presidents that are framed on her wall. Not to mention....she has painted many portraits of them as well.
Seriously, tho, it is heartbreaking to see my mom all these years, working hard, and the GOP being transformed into the DNCRNC and NOT standing for ANYTHING. I hate to see her disappointed for all of the hard work she put in and to convert many people away from the racist Dixicrats.
Get ready to be sold out on Illegal Alien Amnesty
Ryan is just as Amnesty Liberal as Rubio
The GOP is setting up for losses in 2014 and 2016. Dumping 65% of the overall vote for 10% of the overall vote is a loser
Just send your Congress critter and email and tell them that a vote for amnesty will eliminate my vote for you. I’ll vote for none of the above before you.
Well, it looks like a lot os us will be staying home again in 2014 and 2016.
The GOP is now dead. The corpse is still twitching, but it’s all over. Those faux conservatives like Rubio and Ryan are showing that they are unprincipled politicians putting themselves ahead of their country.
We should just call their bluff on the immigration question. Submit a bill that would give immediate amnesty and citizenship to exactly 11 million illegal aliens.
But not a single one more. Just 11 million. And those 11 million will not be allowed to bring in a single relative - none. No chain migration.
Then mandate that at every job these once illegals work, they must be paid the existing union wage for that trade. Not $10/hour, but $23/hour plus benefits.
That will expose the hypocrisy of these amnesty loving politicians. If they are really concerned about just the 11 million, they would accept it. But they won’t.
Does it make a difference whether they are legal or illegal?
>> Illegals are working in jobs NOW
>> Illegals are voting illegally NOW
>> Illegals are getting food stamps NOW
>> Illegals are receiving free emergency hospital care NOW
>> Illegals are receiving pre-natal maternity benefits NOW
>> Illegals work for cash and pay no taxes NOW
>> Illegals are getting drivers licenses NOW in some states
Worst part is illegals do not need to register, so we have no idea who is here and where.
May be making available a legal permit to work, the system can collect taxes and get a handle on who is here and whether to eventually give them permanent status or deport them.
Our immigration policy is cumbersome and arbitrary........
what I do not understand is Republicans caving on the notion that anyone who comes here after a time should be a citizen, no matter how they get here. I have friends who have PhDs in engineering that took ten years to get legal status (they are white) and I really wish that did not matter.
Everyone is welcome but come LEGALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The GOP is dead to me.
The administrative merging of the North American Union is well underway. There is de-facto free migration. The “entertainment industry” is pushing cultural invasion. La Raza is in the White House.
30,000 drones, hundreds of millions of rounds of ammunition for domestic use, “executive orders” demanding our disarmament... are people ever going to wake the hell up and discard the D/R party? They are the authors of our nation’s death. They must be torn out by the roots and destroyed.
Are you ignoring History?
President Reagan gave amnesty to ALL illegals. And it was said exactly same then, as you are saying now, this is it, no more amnesty.
Guess what ACTUALLY happened.....11 million to 28 million more showed up (no one knows exact count because illegals do not register).
Learn from history. Blanket amnesty has not worked.
LEGAL Work permits is probably the only workable solution. See my post above.
Is there any REAL difference between Democrats and RINOs?
Perhaps not in your lifetime, certainly not in my lifetime. I am taking the only practical and workable path...to try to keep pushing the current party apparatus in the right direction.
3rd party is a wet dream. Waste of precious energy and resources.
I see nothing wrong with Ryan’s points.
It seems no conservative is allowed to say the word “immigration” these days.
doesn’t seem like it most of the time
I’d rather have mine enemies clearly marked, know what I mean?
Re: “I see nothing wrong with Ryans points.”
New immigrant citizens vote 80% for the Democrat Party.
If the Obama-Rubio-Ryan plan wins, Conservatives are dead.
The 11 million are legally entitled to import their parents, siblings, and nieces and nephews.
According to the Census Bureau, each new immigrant citizen will import 2.1 family members within 10 years.
The “11 million” will be “34 million” in ten years.
Did I mention that new immigrant citizens vote 80% for the Democrat Party?
Legal status could lead to citizenship eventually, although Rubio doesnt specify how long eventually might be.
Yeah doing the paperwork for 30 MILLION illegal aliens could hold thingsa up..
printing the DR, voting cards, EBT etc...
say a whole week...
that should have been DL not DR
as in drivers license
we warned you till we were quite blue in the face...
Two opportunists down. Next!
Rubio and Ryan both embraced the dark side. Putting race and ‘feelings’ and political calculation ahead of enforcing the law. Putting the desires of foreign citizens who chose to break the law over Americans who have to clean up the mess.
Thus proving that you aren’t impacted by illegal immigration and you could care less about those who are.
Ryan was never a godsend on budgets because his widely hailed plan (talk show hosts, Fox News etc.) envisioned a balanced budget ten plus years out.
We need an immediate downsizing of the government and the budget.
Ten years plus out is a political trick because the mess will get worse before then with austerity kicking in like in Greece and Spain.
Ryan is a business as usual RINO politician.
When is the treatment of American citizens in Mexico and their rights vs US treatment of Mexicans going to be an issue when we discuss amnesty ?
Ever hear of reciprocal aggrements ? These are arranged to protect the rights of American citizens working or living in other countries.
Why is it when it comes to citizens of other countries we are required to offer them the same privledges as we do to US citizens? But when it comes to US citizens who get in trouble or attempt to do business in other countries they do not get the same treatment their citizens get.
Americans cant own coast land in Mexico. And get no title to it elsewhere. If they run out of cash theyll get unceremoniously sent back or put in jail untill some relative comes up with the fresh. Thats just for starters as for granting them voting privledges yea lets give Mexican citizens that right when American citizens vote in their elections .
So, “Mr. personality” has an idea of his own, or is it?
Well, isn’t that something? He’s certainly cut from the same bolt of cloth as most of the GOP elite and goes along to get along.
Now we know why mitt “the other kennedy” romney picked ryan... he is just a “mini me” of the progressive loser.
I can’t believe how you’ve drunken the lib koolaid.
Do you really think if you give them some sort of legalizing work permit they will suddenly start paying taxes, stop stealing from our social services, and start voting legally?
If you believe that, you, sir are an utter fool.
They are not here to play by the rules. They are here to work under the table and to reap as much as they can from social services and tax rebates the DNC gives them.
And let me redirect your attention to the fact that they are breaking the law. What you propose is to reward them for that.
What other law-breakers should we reward because they are already ‘here’ and breaking the law? How about the drug dealers? How about tax cheats? How about the car thieves? All of them steal from society in one way or another, just as the illegals do.
And what about how UNFAIR (to use that lib buzzword) it is to those who come here, work hard, work legally, pay their taxes, and go through the legal channels to become citizens or ‘legal workers’? Are you really going to slap their honesty in the face with your pathetic logic and spinelessness?
If you do, do you know what the result will be?
Even more illegals from other countries who say, “Why the hell should I go through the legal process. I’ll just slip in illegally, reap all the benefits I can, and then they’ll just make me legal.”
I can’t believe with the ridiculous unemployment rate that we have...especially among recent college grads and lower-tiered workers, that you are saying it’s a good idea to legalize an illegal workforce.
We need to punish those who hire illegal aliens to the point that they are no longer financially rewarding for the employers or the illegal aliens.
Once we do that, the influx of the illegals will slow and our unemployed can start picking up those jobs.
And no right to vote. No voting for the amnesty illegals.
That would expose the hypocrisy.
Would this be the same Paul Ryan who couldn’t carry his own state in the Presidential election and who supported Obama’s massive tax increase just a couple of weeks ago?
I guess these idiots don’t care that Hispanics and Asians voted for Obama by 70%. So the more of these immigrants you get, the more votes the Democrats get.
Ann Coulter says that among Asians here the “Orientals” such as Koreans and Chinese did vote Republicans. While India/Pakistani type Asians vote Democrat
Illegals really don’t care about US Citizenship. What they really want is legal residency so they can work any job and dispossess Americans from these jobs. Also they can’t get deported then and will drop tons of babies to seal the deal and suck off welfare -—NOW LEGALLY!!! Legal welfare, legal section 8, legal food stamps etc etc
yep and even quite a few FReepers here will say that. mike_9958 and artcore come to mind as well as others here that seem to favor the RINOs like Boehner and McConnel and throw in the cavers Ryan and Rubio to the mix.
Gutless RINO swine is more like it.
I have a feeling he is buying into the “I have to move to the left to be relevant in order to get elected in 2016” The same kind of sickness that affects every RINO. Same kind of sickness that affects even some FReepers here.
There is a subtle difference between RINOs and Democrats mainly the label they stand behind and that RINOs are pretending to be something they are not. So I have less respect for RINOs than Democrats. At least Democrats stand for what they believe in, however misguided and idiotic that is.
Mexico and the Third World are pushing north at a furious pace----visions of foreign aid tax dollars dancing in their heads. These are more of their Fifth Column pressure groups acting on orders from their homelands.
The Mexican government adopts one, very smooth, tone when speaking to its patsies in America---vote-crazed US pols---- and another, very militant, tone when speaking to its own people about its ruthlessness in pursuing its own national interest at the expense of ours.
As long as vote-crazed politicans continue to suck-up to hyphenates to get re/elected, this scam will continue.
We have a foreign government, Mexico, that continually and relentlesly meddles in the intenal affairs of the U.S. and BOTH political parties and ALL three branches of our government enable and acively participate with Mexico in the process. Mexico, however, would NEVER cede it’s sovereignty to the U.S. in such a mannner - but the sure don’t mind taking our foreign aid dollars. Mexico is a giant leech, sucking us dry.