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ChristianScienceMonitor ^ | undated | Allison Terry

Posted on 01/15/2013 8:09:06 AM PST by shove_it

The push to reform entitlement programs is at the heart of debates about the future of the US budget. Many Republicans want big changes as Medicare and Medicaid, in particular, consume a larger share of federal spending. Most Democrats merely want to ensure the programs' survival.

Entitlement programs include Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, unemployment benefits, Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (food stamps), and Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (welfare). How much do you know about them? [...]

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I flunked the quiz big time (55%). I don't know much about the agenda of CSM though.
1 posted on 01/15/2013 8:09:09 AM PST by shove_it
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To: shove_it
I don't know much about the agenda of CSM though.

I don't either, but I don't think I like them. Why is a question that says "How many Romney voters used entitlements....blah blah blah?" It seems to me that there is some selective data and question manipulation going on here making one think that the usage isn't so bad, that welfare is 'limited' and that medicare doesn't cover everything. Overall, my opinion of CSM after looking at this is that they are libtards.

2 posted on 01/15/2013 8:17:16 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: shove_it

39% of those making over $100K tap entitlement programs.....we’re DOOOOOOMED!


3 posted on 01/15/2013 8:19:55 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Gaffer

Good point. How could that data be correlated?


4 posted on 01/15/2013 8:22:14 AM PST by shove_it (the 0bama regime are the people Huxley, Orwell and Rand warned us about)
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To: shove_it

“Most Democrats merely want to ensure the programs’ survival.”

BS, but the tipoff to the author’s bias. The programs are not sustainable as they stand and are poorly designed to boot. If democrats were interested in program sustainability and quality of service, they would join Republicans in seeking responsible reform. Instead, they are interested in increasing dependency while exploiting the issue for short term political gain.


5 posted on 01/15/2013 8:23:28 AM PST by sphinx
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To: shove_it

The simple fact is that we’re losing the entitlement fight while hundreds of billions in other less politically sensitive spending continues unabated.

I think we need to go after the other spending while focusing on how to change entitlement attitudes for future reform.

After all, people rioting over section 8 housing vouchers won’t care a bit if we don’t give Brazil $100 million for an aquarium. They aren’t going to march in the street if we eliminate the $125 million yearly endowment for the arts. They aren’t going to care if we eliminate a thousand other things that are just as expensive and just as wasteful. They may be drops in the bucket but there are enough of them to fill a supertanker.

The need for entitlement reform is obvious but we need to face the fact that we’re losing that fight because we’re fighting the battle the democrats have chosen and its time to look at new strategies..


6 posted on 01/15/2013 8:26:16 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: shove_it

I flunked it too. Got the same score as you. I think the intent of the test is to show us that ‘welfare’ isn’t the problem. The problem is old people! How long beforoe the rats start urging us old timers to die peacefully?


7 posted on 01/15/2013 8:27:21 AM PST by pgkdan ( "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~Thomas Jefferson)
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To: shove_it

All I know is that I am constantly standing behind people in the grocery store check-out line who use EBT cards to buy food that I can’t afford and drive away in cars that I can’t afford.


8 posted on 01/15/2013 8:27:56 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: sphinx

The entitlement fight is nothing but theater anyway.

Lots of sound and fury over the most politically sensitive things which are the least likely to cut in any meaningful way.


9 posted on 01/15/2013 8:30:54 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

Exactly. We can’t afford our own welfare, while giving it to foreigners too. And why don’t we call welfare by it’s name?


10 posted on 01/15/2013 8:31:08 AM PST by shove_it (the 0bama regime are the people Huxley, Orwell and Rand warned us about)
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To: pgkdan
I flunked it too.

Whew. Thanks for sayin' so.

11 posted on 01/15/2013 8:34:43 AM PST by shove_it (the 0bama regime are the people Huxley, Orwell and Rand warned us about)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
39% of those making over $100K tap entitlement programs.....we’re DOOOOOOMED!

My guess is that is mostly made of those who collected unemployment benefits after being laid off at one time or another.

12 posted on 01/15/2013 8:37:33 AM PST by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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To: shove_it

13 of 20


13 posted on 01/15/2013 8:38:48 AM PST by redangus
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To: shove_it

Misleading, as usual. The food stamp benefit was per person. The proper number would be the amount per household. What if income was shown per person?


14 posted on 01/15/2013 8:40:18 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: shove_it

I am the son of a social worker. I saw it on the inside.

There is so much waste, fraud and abuse in the public assistance programs, I would guess 90% of our dollars that go into those programs should be discontinued. There is pure stupid evil going on on the giving end and and on the receiving end.


15 posted on 01/15/2013 8:43:24 AM PST by lurk
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To: shove_it

I don’t know how the thing can be quantified when there is NO actual and correct accounting of undocumented’s accessing benefits.

Also, what I call an entitlement may not be what THEY strictly regard as an entitlement


16 posted on 01/15/2013 8:48:25 AM PST by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: redangus

Congrats, you flunked too.


17 posted on 01/15/2013 8:49:23 AM PST by shove_it (the 0bama regime are the people Huxley, Orwell and Rand warned us about)
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To: shove_it

Misleading and agenda-driven. The question about the Romney voters was a dead giveaway. Why no corresponding question about Obama voters? Also, they neglected obvious questions about aid for dependent children programs, Section 8 housing, and the like.


18 posted on 01/15/2013 8:55:52 AM PST by RightField (one of the obstreperous citizens insisting on incorrect thinking - C. Krauthamer)
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To: shove_it

To break the entitlement, we have to break the attitude.

Even 30 years ago, many people would have been embarrassed to take money from government.

While not an entitlement in the strictest sense, the attitude is what is important. Some years ago, the father of one of my friends was resiting taking VA benefits. He said that he didn’t earn them and that they should go to the guys who fought in Korea. He was stationed in Alaska at a military prison as a guard and in his opinion it wasn’t enough to take the benefits.


19 posted on 01/15/2013 8:57:24 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Vigilanteman
All I know is that I am constantly standing behind people in the grocery store check-out line who use EBT cards to buy food that I can’t afford and drive away in cars that I can’t afford.

In 1980 that situation alone was enough to get Reagan elected in a landslide. In 2012 Romney had to run for the tall grass after the slightest mention of it.


20 posted on 01/15/2013 9:00:21 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: cripplecreek
Even 30 years ago, many people would have been embarrassed to take money from government.

To this day I still remember the screaming fit of rage my mother flew into when I brought home the application for the school lunch program they had handed me. She NEVER would have let us have ANYTHING to do with a handout. Today I'm afraid an increasing number of us just shrug our shoulders and look at entitlements as a way to claw back some small portion of the money the Government keeps stealing from us.


21 posted on 01/15/2013 9:04:44 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

As far as I’m concerned, people on welfare should be made to feel like the slaves they are.

Its not because I hate them or want to punish them. Its because I want to make them uncomfortable in poverty and drive them to stand on their own two feet.


22 posted on 01/15/2013 9:11:28 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

What a crock! What is the percentage of benefits paid to these people today? If I make 100k now, but got unemployment once when I was young, then I am one of these folks. Hardly scamming the system.They should take back whatever they can, since they are providing 90% of the tax revenue.

The one that got to me was rural folks recieiveng more benefits. That is why we are losing the country. The entitlement mentality is inside the fence...


23 posted on 01/15/2013 9:12:36 AM PST by antidisestablishment (Our people perish through lack of wisdom, but they are content in their ignorance.)
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To: shove_it

There are a lot of self styled conservatives whose definition of an “entitlement” is a government benefit that goes to someone other than themselves.


24 posted on 01/15/2013 9:13:20 AM PST by Notary Sojac (Ut veniant omnes)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
39% of those making over $100K tap entitlement programs

I believe the question was "have tapped..."

I would qualify for that, as many here would, I have twice drawn unemployment benefits (once at 19, again in my late 20's).

25 posted on 01/15/2013 9:15:16 AM PST by Michael.SF. (Obama lied, Stevens died.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
39% of those making over $100K tap entitlement programs

I believe the question was "have tapped..."

I would qualify for that, as many here would, I have twice drawn unemployment benefits (once at 19, again in my late 20's).

26 posted on 01/15/2013 9:16:05 AM PST by Michael.SF. (Obama lied, Stevens died.)
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To: shove_it
Welfare recipients can receive benefits for a maximum of 60 months during their lifetime.

Bull hockey. I used to work for DHS in my more naive days. In Texas, they can recieve benefits from birth to death generation after generation.

27 posted on 01/15/2013 9:18:56 AM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

What a crock! What is the percentage of benefits paid to these people today? If I make 100k now, but got unemployment once when I was young, then I am one of these folks. Hardly scamming the system.They should take back whatever they can, since they are providing 90% of the tax revenue.

The one that got to me was rural folks recieiveng more benefits. That is why we are losing the country. The entitlement mentality is inside the fence...


28 posted on 01/15/2013 9:22:13 AM PST by antidisestablishment (Our people perish through lack of wisdom, but they are content in their ignorance.)
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To: cripplecreek

I know a British lady who married a handsome Yank, moved here, and bore a couple of his kids before he took off with a younger woman. Struggling to make it in a strange land she applied for welfare, but quickly got off.

When I knew her she was working 3 different jobs trying to make ends meet. She told me she would NEVER go on welfare again, no matter how many jobs she had to work, because “they make you feel like absolute sh*t down there!”

In retrospect probably a good thing that the hacks running the welfare office put such an “ick” factor into the process to scare her away for life.

Today I think you can apply online, making it relatively painless. Not a good development.


29 posted on 01/15/2013 9:23:58 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: shove_it

I got 9 right and 11 wrong (45%).

Back in 2003, I was unemployed from November until April 2004 - I used unemployment, food stamps, etc. When I got a job, I stopped (obviously).

It was (for me) exactly what it is supposed to be. A bridge, a temporary measure.


30 posted on 01/15/2013 9:30:58 AM PST by ro_dreaming (G.K. Chesterton, “Christianity has not been tried and found wanting. It’s been found hard and lef)
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To: pgkdan
How long beforoe the rats start urging us old timers to die peacefully?

Former Colorado Governor Richard Lamm once stated old people have an obligation to die and fertilize the soil. Then there was brilliant Surgeon General Elders that postulated that old people would probably die of something or other anyway.

Elders then moved on to discuss how masturbation and body licking should be moved into primary schools.

31 posted on 01/15/2013 9:34:11 AM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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To: pgkdan

*The problem is old people! How long before the rats start urging us old timers to die peacefully?*

Isn’t that part of the reason we have ObummerDoesn’tCare? He wants granny to take the pill instead of getting a heart transplant.


32 posted on 01/15/2013 9:51:39 AM PST by FamiliarFace
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To: antidisestablishment
The one that got to me was rural folks recieiveng more benefits. That is why we are losing the country.

Has been that way for a long time. I lived in a very rural part of Ohio in the 80's. VERY high teen pregnancy rate (you were hard-pressed to find a 20 year old woman who did not have at least one child). Lots of Mexican migrant workers who applied as soon as they figured out how to do it. Lots of very low-income people with few job prospects (minimum wage clerk jobs at the local discount store were considered a "good job" by many). I imagine the situation might be even worse in rural New Mexico, upstate NY, Upper Michigan, several other places.


33 posted on 01/15/2013 9:52:37 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Notary Sojac

I agree, plus the use of the word “entitlements”.

Take Social Security:

One of the most enduring myths of Social Security is that a worker has a legal right to his Social Security benefits. Many workers assume that, if they pay Social Security taxes into the system, they have some sort of legal guarantee to the system’s benefits. The truth is exactly the opposite. It has long been law that there is no legal right to Social Security. In two important cases, Helvering v. Davis and Flemming v. Nestor, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that Social Security taxes are simply taxes and convey no property or contractual rights to Social Security benefits.

As a result, a worker’s retirement security is entirely dependent on the political decisions of the president and Congress. Benefits may be reduced or even eliminated at any time. Given the program’s looming financial crisis, benefit cutbacks are increasingly likely. Therefore, the entirely political nature of Social Security places workers’ retirement security at considerable risk. Indeed, Congress has already arbitrarily reduced Social Security benefits of some groups of workers. Moreover, because Social Security benefits are not a worker’s property, they are not inheritable.

In contrast, a privatized Social Security system, based on individual accounts, would provide workers with the benefits and the safeguards of true ownership.

Social security, like Obamacare, is a tax not an entitlement.


34 posted on 01/15/2013 9:55:45 AM PST by CharlesMartelsGhost
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To: shove_it

Well...first...the article flunked its own test.

Medicare and Social Security are not “Entitlement Programs” as people are to pay into those in order to collect. Exclude the SSI part from the Soc Sec...and this was supposed to be an “insurance”. And, exclude the special provisions for illegal aliens with Soc Sec that both the Dems and GOP have supported


35 posted on 01/15/2013 10:16:04 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (The only automatic weapon is the one Obama uses to take your paycheck)
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To: shove_it

In New Zealand during the 1950s government handouts were for everyone regardless of income...

When I was a child we all got free doctors visits and hospitals and operations, free dental at school, (every school had a dental nurse who did check ups and fillings twice a year)..at high school we went to a dentist in the city..

my mother got a small stipend for each child, and we got free schools elementry and high school where we actually learned...

Later when I was working I would go to the government employment agency where they would give me 3 cards with possible employers and by the end of the day I had a job offer that I could not turn down...

If i didnt get a job offer after one week I could receive tiny unemployment checks until I did get a job..but that never happened...

We had to take the job offered to us or go without...

nowdays in the US the unemployed person can pick and choose where they want to work...

If you wanted a better paying job you paid a private agency a healthy chunk to find you one...

I did that a couple of times and did get good jobs..

One of the problems with the “entitlement” issue is the fact that unmarriaged girls are encouraged to have babies on their own and are paid for doing so...

when i was a teenager girls went to a home for unmarried pregnant girls and then gave up their babied for adoption because they coulod not afford to raise them...

the accepted and expected home atmosphere and lifestyle was higher than the hovels that the children live in today...

The neglect that children experience today is a direct result of the government laissee faire attitude and support..

If girls were not paid to have out-of-wedlock babies and the event was still an anti-social and immoral occurance there might be a whole lot less neglected children left on their own...

also if you cant afford food you cant afford that big TV and cable bill nor that ipod etc...


36 posted on 01/15/2013 10:25:25 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: shove_it

I only got a 50% I also call BS to the 60 month life time cap for welfare. I have a cousin-in-law that has been on it her whole life. Only once did she have a job for a short time and it was working at the welfare office showing others how to scam the system. I think she was forced to get the job or lose benefits. Currently she is back on and last time I saw her she was bitching that the voice recognition on her I-phone didn’t work as good as she thought it should. I guess it was an upgrade to the Obama phone.


37 posted on 01/15/2013 10:25:47 AM PST by shoff (Vote Democratic it beats thinking!)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Was a trick question: How many have USED. As in if you grew up poor and your parents fed you with food stamps, but now you’re a billionaire, you’d still count as part of that 39%

The motive of this poll: Show that we’re all already dependent on government, esp. a majority of those icky Romney voters, so we all need MORE government.

Give it a B- for disguising the push nature of the quiz...


38 posted on 01/15/2013 10:28:51 AM PST by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Was a trick question: How many have USED. As in if you grew up poor and your parents fed you with food stamps, but now you’re a billionaire, you’d still count as part of that 39%

The motive of this quiz: Show that we’re all already dependent on government, esp. a majority of those icky Romney voters, so we all need MORE government.

Give it a B- for disguising the push nature of the quiz...


39 posted on 01/15/2013 10:29:10 AM PST by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: shove_it
From the quiz:

"Ninety-seven percent of adults 65 and older have received an entitlement benefit during their lives, compared with 33 percent of adults under the age of 30, according to the Pew survey."

considering that SS is considered an entitlement, (Pew had to take a survey on this ?) This is on the cutting edge of obvious.
40 posted on 01/15/2013 10:33:55 AM PST by stylin19a (Obama - Fredo smart)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

I lived in New Mexico in the nineties and remember when they earned the distinction of being the first statewith over 50% of the population working for the goverment. The other 49% were on welfare!


41 posted on 01/15/2013 10:42:57 AM PST by antidisestablishment (Our people perish through lack of wisdom, but they are content in their ignorance.)
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To: antidisestablishment

I once spoke with a Catholic priest who had been stationed in rural New Mexico. He spoke of absolutely crushing poverty there. Particularly on the Indian reservations.


42 posted on 01/15/2013 10:48:30 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: stylin19a

At the ripe old age of 73, I’m basking in the glow of my monthly SS benefit and my VA health care. I did receive a few weeks of UC back in 1982 during a recession, as I recall. I’ll bet there are a lot of old moochers like me on this forum.


43 posted on 01/15/2013 10:50:49 AM PST by shove_it (the 0bama regime are the people Huxley, Orwell and Rand warned us about)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

New Mexico has always been poor. It is as close as you come to third-world in the states (unless you count Chicago, DC and Detroit). It has the highest rate of tax subsidy and welfare in the nation.

The generational poverty is staggering, as is the differential between the rich and poor. The middle class stems primarliy from government positions (either DoD or administering the welfare programs).

The reservations are horrible, but the largest problem is dependence on the Feds combined with alcoholism. It makes for an ugly combination. (Same across the country I have seen it in AK, Midwest and South.)


44 posted on 01/15/2013 11:11:30 AM PST by antidisestablishment (Our people perish through lack of wisdom, but they are content in their ignorance.)
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To: shove_it

Simplest answer for why many have messed up some of the questions (including me): Since 97% of those over 65 have used one of these “entitlements” due to the inclusion of Social Security and Medicare, it skews some of the perceptions big time... and means that Romney’s voters will have high use due to older voters. In addition, the poll questions must have been phrased “have you ever used ...”, which means many people who were on unemployment for a month or two will be included, and none of us consider that a problem (they also voted romney).

I consider my 13 out of 20 to be pretty decent, given the above, and that many of the questions were guesses between two percentages or dollar figures. Those which I missed, I only missed by a bit.

I, too, take issue with their “limited to 60 months” due to personal knowledge of people violating that in NYState, as well as their calculations of “average benefit” for food stamps... the text they include indicates it is more than $300/mo.


45 posted on 01/15/2013 11:57:10 AM PST by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: shove_it

A nice finish to your post...shove_it! LOL!! You lived this long, you deserve it!!


46 posted on 01/15/2013 11:58:24 AM PST by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: shove_it

It was a pretty tough quiz. I was a few wrong choices between two possibilities away fro looking brilliant. I sent it to all my lib friends. We will see how they do.


47 posted on 01/15/2013 12:08:30 PM PST by redangus
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To: shove_it

It was a pretty tough quiz. I was a few wrong choices between two possibilities away from looking brilliant. I sent it to all my lib friends. We will see how they do.


48 posted on 01/15/2013 12:09:01 PM PST by redangus
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To: shove_it

I flunked as well. My numbers were higher than they stated.

Although I believe I am correct and they are wrong.


49 posted on 01/15/2013 12:49:09 PM PST by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Tennessee Nana
We have had many a misgivings in the past; however, I highly Amen your post.

There seems to be no more shame in peoples lives today.

"also if you cant afford food you cant afford that big TV and cable bill nor that ipod etc..."

Exactly.

50 posted on 01/15/2013 12:58:13 PM PST by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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