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Did New York State Just Accidentally Outlaw ALL Firearms?
NY Times s2230 pdf ^ | January 15, 2013 | NY legisfools

Posted on 01/15/2013 8:17:18 PM PST by kiryandil

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The "or" makes the first condition true in all cases of possession of a firearm.

Whoops! Yer all felons, NY gun owners!

1 posted on 01/15/2013 8:17:23 PM PST by kiryandil
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To: kiryandil

I seriously doubt it was an accident.


2 posted on 01/15/2013 8:18:41 PM PST by History Repeats (sic transit gloria mundi)
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To: kiryandil

They had to pass it in order to find out what is in it.


3 posted on 01/15/2013 8:18:57 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: kiryandil

They had to pass it in order to find out what is in it.


4 posted on 01/15/2013 8:19:27 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: kiryandil

Sure looks that way to me. Perhaps it was no accident.


5 posted on 01/15/2013 8:19:58 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: kiryandil

Line 11 has the and. Looks like mandatory registration of all guns to me. Glad I live in Arizona...


6 posted on 01/15/2013 8:20:00 PM PST by Mr Rogers (America is becoming California, and California is becoming Detroit. Detroit is already hell.)
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To: kiryandil

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7 posted on 01/15/2013 8:20:01 PM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: kiryandil

LOL!

Dumbasses.


8 posted on 01/15/2013 8:21:06 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: kiryandil

Sure. Accidentally on purpose likely.


9 posted on 01/15/2013 8:22:00 PM PST by Califreak (11/6/12 The Day America Divided By Zero)
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To: kiryandil

What most don’t understand about NY gun laws is: normal rifles and shotguns are not “firearms”.
I kid you not.
“Firearms” in NY are whatever is defined as regulated and restricted or banned, to wit handguns, assault weapons, short barreled rifles/shotguns, and machineguns.

So: no, they didn’t. Welcome to legalese - words don’t mean what you think they do.


10 posted on 01/15/2013 8:22:20 PM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
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To: kiryandil

Do I smell a court challenge?


11 posted on 01/15/2013 8:22:36 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: History Repeats

Right on, Brother. They did a number on all guns in NY State. They knew what they were doing.


12 posted on 01/15/2013 8:22:49 PM PST by TaMoDee ( Lassez les bons temps rouler dans les 2013! Geaux, Pack, Geaux!)
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To: kiryandil

There’s an “and” clause there at the end that I think applies to both A and B. My interpretation is that it makes it illegal to own a firearm AND not register it per the law.

Which is bad enough as it is. Where’s the vaunted inferred Constitutional right to privacy??


13 posted on 01/15/2013 8:24:12 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: kiryandil

How can this even be? Was the 2nd amendment overturned by 2/3rds of the states?


14 posted on 01/15/2013 8:24:20 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: kiryandil

Wouldn’t this automatically be struck down as unconstitutional then? Not that “that little book” matters to the new Gestapo.


15 posted on 01/15/2013 8:24:20 PM PST by gop4lyf (Are we no longer in that awkward time? Or is it still too early?)
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To: kiryandil

Progressive jackasses who hate our constitution never do anything by accident..so now every law abiding gun owner in New York are criminals


16 posted on 01/15/2013 8:24:45 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: kiryandil

Damn.

My condolences, New York. Now, we’ll see a massive exodus of people, I bet.


17 posted on 01/15/2013 8:25:02 PM PST by Thorliveshere
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To: kiryandil

There is no reason for registration except to prepare for confiscation.


18 posted on 01/15/2013 8:25:51 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Califreak

The highlighted text makes the entire law ‘unconstitutional’. Interesting to see how this plays out.


19 posted on 01/15/2013 8:26:54 PM PST by wtd
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To: kiryandil

Good. Incremental steps are bad; bring it on. Maybe the frogs will feel the heat and jump out of the pot.


20 posted on 01/15/2013 8:27:51 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Witty saying goes here...)
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To: kiryandil
No accident. They knew what they were doing.

"Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with."

- Ayn Rand, 1957 -

21 posted on 01/15/2013 8:28:59 PM PST by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: ctdonath2
What most don’t understand about NY gun laws is: normal rifles and shotguns are not “firearms”.

OK, so anyone in New York who owns a firearm (not a rifle or a shotgun) is now a criminal.

22 posted on 01/15/2013 8:29:11 PM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Sarah Barracuda
Progressive jackasses who hate our constitution never do anything by accident..so now every law abiding gun owner in New York are criminals

You're right.

23 posted on 01/15/2013 8:30:13 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: kiryandil

This is an interesting lesson to computer programmers on why it’s good to use parentheses liberally within logical statements to remove ambiguity regarding operator precedence and order of evaluation.


24 posted on 01/15/2013 8:31:44 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: Travis McGee; kiryandil

Of interest to you and your bang list.


25 posted on 01/15/2013 8:32:17 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: gop4lyf

This is the only "little book" the left worships.

26 posted on 01/15/2013 8:32:31 PM PST by GraceG
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To: Thorliveshere

The folks at kimber (Yonkers, NY) are in deep sh!t.


27 posted on 01/15/2013 8:33:06 PM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: Thorliveshere

The folks at kimber (Yonkers, NY) are in deep sh!t.


28 posted on 01/15/2013 8:33:06 PM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: kiryandil

Various news sources quote officials as saying, “There are some technical deficiencies in the law that was passed but the governor will correct those through a legislative procedure” (paraphrasing but accurate).

No telling how this law will be ‘corrected’. To close loopholes. For the children. (see tagline - cuomo to NYers = SUCK IT!)


29 posted on 01/15/2013 8:33:10 PM PST by KitJ (Shall not be infringed)
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To: Thorliveshere

The folks at kimber (Yonkers, NY) are in deep sh!t.


30 posted on 01/15/2013 8:33:10 PM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: Thorliveshere

The folks at kimber (Yonkers, NY) are in deep sh!t.


31 posted on 01/15/2013 8:33:14 PM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

NY, it’s special.


32 posted on 01/15/2013 8:33:18 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: tanknetter
There’s an “and” clause there at the end that I think applies to both A and B.

No, the "and" is only operative in (2).

(1) makes you a felon because you POSSESS a firearm.

33 posted on 01/15/2013 8:33:18 PM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Thorliveshere
My condolences, New York. Now, we’ll see a massive exodus of people, I bet.


34 posted on 01/15/2013 8:34:48 PM PST by GraceG
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To: kiryandil
The latest shooting victim.
35 posted on 01/15/2013 8:36:12 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (HealthCare IS NOT a right. The RIGHT to keep and bear arms is.)
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To: Mr Rogers

Except that apparently, if you UNLAWFULLY owned a gun prior to the enactment of this law, you are not required to register it.

Only if you take possession after the law is passed, OR you LAWFULLY owned it prior to the law being passed.


36 posted on 01/15/2013 8:37:44 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Hoodat

This section(41) is actually regarding “school grounds” - see page 21.


37 posted on 01/15/2013 8:37:44 PM PST by loulou41
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To: onyx

Eventually this will happen in California too..we are all royally screwed because a bunch of mooching pieces of crap cared more about getting free stuff than give a da,pen about freedom..because of them we all have to suffer now..I wonder if Dems who own guns but voted for the schmuck..are they happy now?


38 posted on 01/15/2013 8:38:42 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: GraceG



New York didn't need children for props!
New York just buried the language in a hurry to "do something!"


39 posted on 01/15/2013 8:39:15 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

I’m sure they’re thrilled!


40 posted on 01/15/2013 8:40:07 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: onyx

Darn iPad I meant to say damn lol


41 posted on 01/15/2013 8:40:33 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Sarah Barracuda

LOL. Good!


42 posted on 01/15/2013 8:42:40 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: History Repeats

Its hard to tell because they also stopped teaching English in NY about 20 years ago.


43 posted on 01/15/2013 8:43:48 PM PST by PGR88
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To: onyx

Not sure about that I doubt every single dem wanted this..does ideology trump everything else..yes..but seeing those lines in San Francisco of all places of people buying guns I doubt they were Republican..after all..Republicans and San Francisco usually don’t mix


44 posted on 01/15/2013 8:43:54 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks kiryandil.


45 posted on 01/15/2013 8:45:57 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Those elected demonic-rats want this because they’re all about control of the ignorant masses. History has proved that too many times.


46 posted on 01/15/2013 8:46:56 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: onyx

Seeing that photo of Hitler..never in my wildest dreams did I think history would repeat itself it’s looking like it is..those who forget history are deemed to repeat it..seems too many people have forgotten the holocaust and need to be reminded what happens when a dictator takes power


47 posted on 01/15/2013 8:46:56 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Exactly right and it’s shocking to me that the Jewish democrats are FOR gun control. Shame on them most of all. Idiots.


48 posted on 01/15/2013 8:48:22 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: kiryandil

Had to rinse my eyes a couple of times but sure looks like it.


49 posted on 01/15/2013 8:48:34 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: kiryandil
This is how Albany seems to see ALL OF New York State:

They seem not to see what the reality is this:

I loved every minute I drove through mid-state NY. I stopped in wonderful towns and the folk there were smart, fun and friendly.

How sad the former lead the latter.

50 posted on 01/15/2013 8:48:51 PM PST by freedumb2003 (MOLON LABE)
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