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Social Security Cliff in Sight
Townhall.com ^ | January 18, 2013 | Mike Shedlock

Posted on 01/18/2013 12:57:10 PM PST by Kaslin

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1 posted on 01/18/2013 12:57:14 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Why don’t we ever hear about similar need to cut welfare, food stamps, and other freebies, government handouts and subsidies?

Especially those for moochers, able bodied malingerers and illegals.

At least social security recipients paid something into the system.
Most of the recipients of government habdouts and feebies paid nothing - they just take and take and take.


2 posted on 01/18/2013 1:06:35 PM PST by Iron Munro (I Miss America, don't you?)
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To: Kaslin
1.) There is no “Trust Fund” -— it is not possible for any organization, individual or government to write itself an IOU that changes anything in the real or financial world.

2.) Social Security will soon be little more than “phantom income” due to the means testing and higher premiums for upper income people, on Part B and Part D of Medicare.

You will get taxed on your Social Security benefits even if you don't see any benefit in your checking account, due to the very high Medicare premiums we will face in the future.

3 posted on 01/18/2013 1:08:48 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: Kaslin

This will get “solved” with tax hikes.

-Wall Street transaction tax
-Remove the cap on payroll tax (perhaps up to every last dime)
-VAT or some type of sales tax

There is simply no political will to address the situation any other way.


4 posted on 01/18/2013 1:09:25 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Kaslin

****For the first time since Social Security’s cash crisis in 1983, the program can’t afford to pay full benefits for its youngest crop of new retirees through life expectancy, government data show.****

But, but the SS system was supposed to NEVER go dry! Here is the promise from 1964!

http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssa/usa1964-2.html

Self-Supporting

“The program is designed so that contributions plus interest on the investments of the social security trust funds will be sufficient to meet all of the costs of benefits and administration, now and into the indefinite future—without any subsidy from the general funds of the Government.

Both the Congress and the Executive Branch, regardless of political party in power, have scrupulously provided in advance for full financing of all liberalizations in the program.”


5 posted on 01/18/2013 1:11:36 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: Kaslin
Never fear our King is here. He will save us. Just instruct the Treasury to strike a BS coin and all is well. Our dictator and King, Obama, is our savior. /s/
6 posted on 01/18/2013 1:14:09 PM PST by Logical me
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To: Kaslin

Raising the retirement age to 70 is not a practical solution.

The consequences should be obvious...

(1) An explosive increase in SS Disability claims.

(2) An explosive increase in Work Injury claims.

(3) An explosive increase in Age Discrimination lawsuits.

(4) An explosive increase in government agencies and laws that will allegedly “protect” and “retrain” older workers.


7 posted on 01/18/2013 1:30:49 PM PST by zeestephen
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The trust fund has been transferred to congressional pork. Over $13T are missing form the fund along with all the trust the fund had. Why not cut welfare for illegals and take care of legitimate recipients first. Colorado give $2B to illegals on welfare and blackmails schools to raise funds for them.
8 posted on 01/18/2013 1:31:24 PM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
People forget, the Fed owns a major hunk of America's land, mineral rights, buildings and many other hard assets.

In addition, pensions for all the federal employees could be converted to Social Security upon retirement.

The peckerheads in government won't even address the issue because a) they are afraid or b) they are benefiting from the threat of default.

My joke is "Give me a 40 in Yellowstone Park and I will release you from the obligation you forced me to accept."

9 posted on 01/18/2013 1:34:50 PM PST by Aevery_Freeman (Proud Thought Criminal since 1984)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Thanks Buckeye for making this point.....SS is not going to default. They will do a VAT, national sales tax, get into our 401ks, or whatever, but there’s ZERO chance of SS going away.


10 posted on 01/18/2013 1:40:01 PM PST by LongWayHome
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To: Kaslin
(I would vote for massive cuts across the board, especially cuts in military spending).

IIRC, the annual budget for the entire DOD is measured in $Billions ($100Billions, but still $Billions).

The deficit is measured in $Trillions, and the "pretend they don't exist" liabilities in the ballpark of $100 Trillion.

I'm all for cutting expenditures, but the military is chump change in the grand scheme of things.
11 posted on 01/18/2013 1:46:27 PM PST by chrisser (Senseless legislation does nothing to solve senseless violence.)
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To: Kaslin

How about limiting payout to what was paied in plus interest?

Could also subtract any welfare or unemploymnet paid out from waht was paid in.


12 posted on 01/18/2013 1:51:30 PM PST by jonose
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To: Kaslin

Fleming v Nestor settled the question of whether or not there ever was any “social contract”.


13 posted on 01/18/2013 1:52:02 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Kaslin

A waste of breath. Obama voters — “I got my new Obamaphone! He gonna pay my rent, my taxes, he gonna pay my gas from his stash!” — have a six-week thought horizon. Not until they actually suffer a money loss will they care.


14 posted on 01/18/2013 1:54:26 PM PST by pabianice (washington, dc ..)
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To: zeestephen
Canada’s Conservative government recently raised the retirement age by two years (to 67). This change will be phased in, over about the next decade. It didn’t cause much of an uproar (the third rail wasn’t electrified) — mainly because most people can see the necessity for the change. When the retirement age was set at 65, only 1% of the population lived longer than that. Now, pension plans are nearly upside down (many more retirees, many fewer payers).
15 posted on 01/18/2013 1:54:53 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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From a Social Security pamphlet in 1936....

“You and your employer will each pay 3 cents on each dollar you earn, up to $3,000 a year ($48,000 inflation adjusted).”

“That amount is the most you will ever have to pay.”

“From the time you are old and stop working, you will get a government check every month of your life.”

“This check will come to you as your right.”


16 posted on 01/18/2013 1:55:06 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: Iron Munro

“At least social security recipients paid something into the system.”

They did not. There is no “system” into which one can pay. Also, in our country there is no connection between who pays taxes and who receives benefits. That’s what the rich paying their “fair share” is all about. From each according to his ability to each according to his need.

If we wanted what you’ve earned to count toward what is let for your retirement, we’d let you keep it.


17 posted on 01/18/2013 2:06:15 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: Kansas58

I don’t even understand what this article is about. No, there was no trust fund. SS is not self-supporting. It’s already in the red. What are we talking about, it being more in the red? Look, they can use allow the funny accounting they want. Why should we pretend it’s meaningful?


18 posted on 01/18/2013 2:09:41 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: Iron Munro

We do hear about that, by the way. SS gets more press first because it’s bigger: it alone eats up about as much of the budget as defense. Second because unfortunate souls like you pretend they’ve “paid into the system” and won’t allow the problem ever to be fixed.


19 posted on 01/18/2013 2:12:10 PM PST by Tublecane
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2.) Social Security will soon be little more than “phantom income” due to the means testing and higher premiums for upper income people, on Part B and Part D of Medicare.

The premims paid for Medicare Parts B and D only pay for 25% of the annual costs of the programs. By law, the other 75% comes from the General Fund. In FY-2011 this amounted to $222 billion. These costs will continue to increase as 10,000 people a day retire for the next 20 years. Medicare Part A has been running in the red since 2008.

20 posted on 01/18/2013 2:13:42 PM PST by kabar
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