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We certainly shall see who the RINO rubber stampers are online. Will there be enough voters out there to primary them?
1 posted on 01/20/2013 12:15:19 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Obama and his collectivist cadre are doing what they always do... gaslighting the American public.


58 posted on 01/20/2013 1:33:43 PM PST by Enough is ENOUGH (Tell your dr to mind his own #@*& business.)
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The real question concerning votes is this. Will congressmen who dare to help pass constitutionally indefensible gun control bills get enough votes to be reelected in 2014?

In case any of y'all haven't seen the following excerpt which was brought to our attention in a related thread, the Supreme Court clarified the purpose of the 2nd Amendment in United States v. Cruikshank.

"The second and tenth counts are equally defective. The right there specified is that of "bearing arms for a lawful purpose." This is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence. The second amendment declares that it shall not be infringed, but this, as has been seen, means no more than that it shall not be infringed by Congress. This is one of the amendments that has no other effect than to restrict the powers of the national government, leaving the people to look for their protection against any violation by their fellow citizens of the rights it recognizes (emphasis added), to what is called, in The City of New York v. Miln, 11 Pet. 139, the "powers which relate to merely municipal legislation, or what was, perhaps, more properly called internal police," "not surrendered or restrained" by the Constitution of the United States." --United States v. Cruikshank, 1875.

61 posted on 01/20/2013 1:38:55 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: All; paratrooper82; Clump; centurion316; Popman; elcid1970; C. Edmund Wright; fortheDeclaration; ...
I urge you all not to take this lightly.
The full-court-press is on and the left thinks that now is the time to move against our second amendment rights.

Even if you think that they will never get enough votes, even if you think that writing to your representatives locally and in DC is futile and pointless, we need to push back on as many fronts and in as many layers of effort as we can.

One of those layers is to make ourselves heard before legislation is voted upon.

Don't just "urge" or "implore" them not to vote for new gun control laws. Let them know that they took an oath of office to protect and defend the U.S. Constitution and that any new gun legislation they vote for will be viewed as an infringement upon our rights as recognized by the second amendment.

MOST IMPORTANTLY: Don't just give them your opinion, ask them their stance.

"How will you vote?"

Get them to put it in writing. Either they support the Constitution or they don't. Make sure that they answer that question in their reply.

"How will you vote?"

If they reply with a form letter with flowery language designed not to take a stance, reply back and ask them again.

"How will you vote?"

In as much time as we all spend each day on FR vowing to stand for our rights, we can stand for our rights now and write an email to our local and federal legislators.

Push back.

65 posted on 01/20/2013 2:09:44 PM PST by Washi (Socialism is Slavery)
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Did he actually state what the gun control law the President has the votes for will contain?

There’s no way that it’ll contain universal registration and an assault weapons or high-capacity magazine ban. For every RINO he can peel off on those issues he’s going to lose at least one Dem from a purple/red-leaning district.

He might be able to get through a comprehensive package that includes money for research, money for mental illness treatment, more restrictions on the sale of games/etc with hyper-violent content and a universal background check for all gun sales.

My guess is that there’ll be a “compromise” package that allows the President to declare victory and walk away from the issue.

I’m normally not a single-issue voter, but if gun control passes I WILL be one in 2014 and beyond. Both primaries and general. My Congressman is a Progressive Dem (safe seat) but my Senators are both Republicans. There are three issues to me. In reverse order: the GOP actively enabling a situation that helps build Obama’s political capital by giving him the perception of a victory on this issue; the treating of law-abiding US Citizens like they’re criminals due to the behavior of real criminals and the mentally insane; the shredding of the 2nd Amendment.

That last one is HUGE to me, because since the Dems are willing to shread the 2nd Amendment they’re sure as hell willing to shred the others (and the Constitution as well). They’ve been doing it for years. It’s time for the GOP to stand up and say “NO MORE”, draw a line in the sand and make the Dems pay for every additional inch of ground they want to take.


66 posted on 01/20/2013 2:10:18 PM PST by tanknetter
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Plouffe, it doesn’t matter if you have 100 Senators and 435 Representatives vote for your gun control bills, they’ll still be unconstitutional and we won’t obey them. If you really insist on having a popular insurrection against your government, go ahead and try this. Oh, and don’t expect the military to pull your feet out of the fire—they’ll be on our side.


68 posted on 01/20/2013 2:13:57 PM PST by Doug Loss
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To: Olog-hai

This is BS. The Democrats in NY said the same thing, and then.....

....damn, nevermind.


69 posted on 01/20/2013 2:41:36 PM PST by GnL
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To: Olog-hai
He's bluffing.

However, this is how astroturfing of Congress begins. Let's hope the GOP whip sees through it instead of enabling it.

-PJ

70 posted on 01/20/2013 2:48:20 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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BS! Whistling past the Grave Yard.


73 posted on 01/20/2013 3:01:31 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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Notice how the “new” article twisted Plouffe’s statement that Plouffe “believes” that the President has enough votes into an outright bravado claim that the President has the votes as a matter of fact. So, a hesitant claim becomes an irrefutable fact. This is utterly dishonest reporting. And, of course Plouffe is lying. NRA also claims to have the votes to stop it.


78 posted on 01/20/2013 3:36:21 PM PST by WashingtonSource
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"All in favor say "Aye." aye

"All opposed say "Nay." NAY!!

"The "Ayes" have it."

82 posted on 01/20/2013 3:56:27 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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Uh, define “gun control”....that is a very flexible term.


87 posted on 01/20/2013 4:40:43 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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I see the anti-Catholic bandwagon has shown up as usual.

We have moved a few times in our 18 year marriage. Out of the four different parishes we have been involved in, not a single one of them would be what I would consider a ‘liberal’ parish. Either we are some of the luckiest bastards on the planet moving to conservative Catholic churches four different times, or the Church isn’t in as bad of shape that the MSM and a few FReepers have made us out to be. I will concede that among the bishops in the U.S., we seemed to be sorely lacking in leadersip, but check out the faithful. Check out our priest, who has many times railed against abortion, birth control, and socialized medicine (both in his homilies and from casual conversations). Our little parish is the only Catholic church in Gallia Co., Ohio. Yet, my husband goes to work with plenty of non-Catholic ‘Christians’ who think the sun rises and sets around ‘he who must not be named’ and the Democrat party in general. Trying to find an Democrat bumper sticker around election time in our church parking lot is darn near impossible. Some of us still put our faith and our principles above politics and popular culture.

We bought our daughter a .22 rifle for Christmas (her siblings were jealous). Not only is shooting a normal rite of passage in these parts among our young people, but the Monday after Thanksgiving is a day off of school in our district for the beginning of deer hunting season.


88 posted on 01/20/2013 4:51:39 PM PST by Hoosier Catholic Momma (How long till my Arkansas drawl fades into the twang of southeast Ohio?)
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I say if the Dems want to make millions of gun owners instant criminals with new gun laws, then the gloves are off. I got a new law to pass as well.

In the Cold War it was referred to as parallel escalation: All abortion classified as murder, and immediate termination of all planned parenthood abortion activities. “...if it will save just one life”

As well as the fact it is the right thing to do. In fact it will save 3000 lives a day, and the income tax those babies will produce will help pay for social security and Medicare in thirty years.


90 posted on 01/20/2013 5:04:39 PM PST by Wildbill22 (They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton Williams Abrams)
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Ploufe’ is on crack.


94 posted on 01/20/2013 5:56:20 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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See 97


98 posted on 01/20/2013 6:28:22 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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"We certainly shall see who the RINO rubber stampers are online."

Anyone can do so after spending a little time learning about uses of the following site--bills, roll call votes (from links), all. My guess is that it's all written on government time and money, which leads to the guess that copying and pasting is okay.

http://thomas.loc.gov/


99 posted on 01/20/2013 6:36:07 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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"White House adviser David Plouffe said Sunday that he believes President Barack Obama has sufficient votes in Congress to pass gun-control legislation."

Our nation's leaders have been pushing for hysteria and panic with lies like that for some time now. Maybe they should be checked for mental problems. Our more manly forefathers leaned toward preventing panic.


100 posted on 01/20/2013 6:48:16 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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“We certainly shall see who the RINO rubber stampers are online. Will there be enough voters out there to primary them?”

“Primary away” at ‘em, as much as you want.

After the deed is done, how much will it matter?

Sorry for the cynicism, but that’s how I see it...


104 posted on 01/20/2013 9:10:26 PM PST by Road Glide
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