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I think too much is being read into MadIsh32's comments.

Some people here view him as being out of step with the forum because he doesn't agree 100% with them. What thinking person agrees 100% with anyone? He seems to me to be authentically conservative.

However, given the irrational mentality of some, I won't be surprised if they succeed in getting him banned.

You wanted me to expand on my views.

I value truth and rationality.

I definitely believe in the values Western Civilization. I believe that some cultures are superior to others and I believe that Western Civilization is the superior culture.

I have a lot of respect for Dennis Prager.

In my case, you’re probably quite right. I don’t even know the poster, at comment #4, and didn’t follow the thread to conclusion.

Many valuable beliefs are wrapped up in “social conservativism” that used to be appreciated and broadly accepted as Christian principles to actually live by. They are all more than at risk now, they are under open attack, condoned now by forces and powers that we once called out as downright evil.

Religion, speech, gun rights, freedom are derived from social conservatism, making possible the foundations for forming the colonies, and the Constitution.

A remark as in comment # 4 came across as arrogant and dismissive of truth, and was was so crudely stated, blunt, brief, and begging for a smack. Trying to hide an insult behind appearing to oppose statism is still an insult, you know what I mean?

Thanks, Rita

Evening Star:

I take you at your word as to your beliefs.

I have not followed Dennis Prager in recent years, When he had a syndicated talk radio show that was broadcast by syndication in New York City, I believe that he favored abortion being legal but that he regarded it as undesirable. If his views have evolved to the point where he favors making abortion prohibited and punishable by law, then good for him! He used to really struggle with his position on the issue as have many others.

I have never tried to get anyone banned here. I think Jim Rob started this thread and so I pinged him. Unrestrained and freewheeling verbal volleys are quite sufficient, consistent with forum rules. This is JimRob's living room. I do not presume to establish rules here since I am a mere guest here myself.

MadIsh32 seems quite libertarian and NOT very conservative as my exchanges with MadIsh32 tend to prove. Prager's article correctly observes that fiscal conservatism and social conservatism are a package. I would also believe that there will be NO "fiscal conservatism" in the absence of social conservatism. Conservatism is a far richer tapestry than is imagined by those who would limit it to tight-fisted $$$$ obsession. That path leads to the same dead end destination as amoral and immoral socialist Europe where no actual conservative wants to wind up.

I do believe that social conservatism is possible among those who are of the fiscal left. Most of Europe is to our left economically even while we are ruled by Obozo. I am unaware of anywhere in Europe being as socially revolutionary as the US has been since Roe vs. Wade. Even "gays" are demonstrating against "gay""marriage" in the streets of Paris as we write. European nations are much more inclined to restrict abortion than is the US.

Truth and reason and Western Civilization are certainly to be included in any conservative canon of beliefs. It must be conceded that Western Civilization is built upon Judaeo-Christian morality and Natural Law and Scripture. Many libertarians fail to "get" that and many refuse to "get" it.

I don't believe that I have been irrational in opposing MadIsh32's views. If you disagree, please specify reasons. MadIsh32 wants to be a conscientious objector in the social issue wars of our time. That makes it exceedingly difficult for MadIsh32 to be a legitimate part of the conservative movement. See his #4 for example and his exchanges with me.