Vigilante groups spring up in Mexico in fight against cartels

Fox News ^ | 1/21/2013 | Unspecified

[exbrit]

"In less than a month, they have done something that the army and state and federal police haven't been able to do in years," said local resident Lorena Morales Castro, who waited in a line of cars at a checkpoint Friday. "They are our anonymous heroes."

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[tacticalogic]

Do you really think the long-term effects on people of using those drugs would be ameliorated if they were legalized?

One of the unintended consequences of criminalizing drugs is that for the people who do choose to get them illegally the available drugs will be the most potent, concentrated forms available. There are many other pain killers both natural and synthetic less potent and addictive than heroin. Likewise there are many other stimulants/amphetamines that are less potent and addictive than meth.

The assumption is that if drug usage was de-criminalized, then the you would simply see more of the same kind of drug use and abuse we have now. I suspect many of the people that currently use drugs and do become hoeplessly addicted might have been salvagable if they'd had the choice of taking something other than the most potent and addictive forms available.

[Blood of Tyrants]

Spoken like a properly brainwashed government sycophant. You would rather give the government an insane amount of power to spy, intrude, search, and seize property than allow people to make decisions about their own lives? You are too used to living under the government’s thumb to know how many of your rights have been stolen under the lie of keeping you “safe” from black men getting high on cocaine and raping white women.
Yes, that was the lie used by southern Democrats to get the first drug laws through Congress.

[tacticalogic]

Codeine, hydrocodone and dextropropoxyphene come to mind. There are probably more.

[tacticalogic]

Yes, they're all addictive.

Are they less addictive than heroin?

[Mr. Lucky]

...they can go after the corrput government that allows the cartels to exist.

Do you really want them to invade the US?

[Blood of Tyrants]

I’m not kidding, that was a real reason behind the first drug laws.

[tacticalogic]

Anecdote isn’t data, and I am not discussing my or my friends’ or friends families history of drug use, but my understanding is that oxy is at least if not more addictive than heroin.

It may be. The question remains unanswered as to whether the other drugs mentioned are less addictive than heroin. I suspect it's not going to be answered, but I could be wrong about that.

You suggested those drugs instead of heroin, coke and meth. Afaik the 3 you mentioned are all synthetic opiates / hypnotics / CNS depressants like heroin - you haven’t addressed meth and coke, and we didn’t even mention crack.

I mentioned those drugs as being less potent and potentially addictive than OXY, which is what you specifically asked about. That's a narcotic, so I compared it to other narcotics in the interest of keeping things on an apples-to-apple basis. You're welcome to chew on me for that all you want, it's not going to hurt me one bit.

imho, I don’t think the answer is to find “safer” reality-exploding drugs but to treat the cause (lack of family, religion) that leads to drug (and yes, alcohol) abuse.

I never said it was. I said an unintended consequence of criminalizing the drugs makes it more likely that people who do choose to use them will be using the most potent, addictive forms available. That's the form that will be most attractive to the smugglers and dealers.

I'm happy to listen to arguments or evidence against any arguments I've made, but I don't see much to be gained in debating arguments I haven't made.

[Teacher317]

The webpage is looking at it as an email address. There’s an @ symbol and a period in close proximity. It thinks the address is “b” at lls-dot-what.

[Ken H]

Approximately half of the narcotics smuggled from Mexico into the U.S. is cannabis. The rest is heroin, cocaine and methamphetamine. Which of these would you legalize?

None of them with regard to foreign commerce, ie at the borders. I would leave it to the states to regulate them at the intrastate level, per the Tenth Amendment.

Would you do it differently? If so, then justify your position from a constitutional standpoint.

[Ken H]

So would you leave it to the states to regulate drugs at the intrastate level, per the Tenth Amendment, yes or no?

[tacticalogic]

If you have no understanding of the difference between CNS depressants like heroin, codiene and oxy vs stimulants like meth and coke and, then you have no idea of what you are talking about and you are simply ranting some libtard BS.

OK. Explain why you think I don't know the difference. You handed me a question about oxy (a CNS depressant), and the answer you got back was specific to CNS depressants. If this is the way you engage in a discussion then you deserve to be left talking to yourself.

[tacticalogic]

If you have no understanding of the difference between CNS depressants like heroin, codiene and oxy vs stimulants like meth and coke and, then you have no idea of what you are talking about and you are simply ranting some libtard BS.

OK. Explain why you think I don't know the difference. You handed me a question about oxy (a CNS depressant), and the answer you got back was specific to CNS depressants. If this is the way you engage in a discussion then you deserve to be left talking to yourself.

[tacticalogic]

It’s all fun and games to talk about classical liberalism and how no one should be pushed around by the government, but this the real F*CKING WORLD, and tens of thousands of otherwise smart people are DYING (do you know what DYING IS?) because they THINK their lives are so miserable that they need to either withdraw from it or they need to fly over it, but ALL OF THOSE DRUGS CAUSE DEATH ND DESTRUCTION, and anyone who thinks they should be legalized is a F*CKING MORON.

You took 'em. Why aren't you dead? Is the foul language and emotional manipulation supposed to make people think total legalization is the only alternative to what we're doing now and avoid talking about the unintended consequences?