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The Great Gun Debate: Selwyn Duke vs. Brett Joshpe
American Thinker ^ | January 27, 2013 | Selwyn Duke

Posted on 01/27/2013 3:34:14 PM PST by neverdem

A few weeks ago, author and Manhattan-based lawyer Brett Joshpe penned a pro-gun-control piece whose thrust was that conservatives need to be sensible with respect to firearms legislation. It's not sensible, said he, to oppose any and all further restrictions on Second Amendment rights. Well, let's discuss what's "sensible."

For much of the US' history, we had virtually no gun-control laws (for white people). But then came Prohibition, gangsters, and Tommy guns, and people wanted to be sensible. So we ended up with the 1934 National Firearms Act, which restricted ownership of fully automatic weapons. Al Capone was unimpressed.

But there still was crime, and we had to be sensible. Thus were spawned...

--snip--

Conservatives have a history of playing defense - and compromising their way to culture-war defeat and tyranny. Liberals will come to the bargaining table demanding some change and conservatives, being reasonable, will give the liberals a percentage of what they want. The problem? The liberals will come back again and again, demanding more and more, and the conservatives will continually yield more ground. And, ultimately, after enough time, the whole loaf will have been relinquished.

So here's my proposal: I want the total number of gun laws reduced from 22,000 to 5,000 (it's a good start, anyway). If the opposition finds this unpalatable, however, I'm willing to be sensible and reasonable and accept a reduction to 10,000. Don't ever say I'm not amenable to compromise.

While I have far more ammunition in my magical mystery magazine, word control dictates that I hold further fire (for now) and cede the floor to Mr. Joshpe. Suffice it to say, though, that his proposals are of the left and should be left behind. They reflect large-caliber misunderstandings fed with high-capacity emotionalism which cycle out fully automatic knee-jerk reactions.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment

1 posted on 01/27/2013 3:34:23 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem
I have been saying the same thing for a long time. In protecting the constitution we conservatives have been playing defense. Always giving up ground to the progressives but never taking any ourselves. We need to make some progress of our own.
2 posted on 01/27/2013 3:41:43 PM PST by oldbrowser (They are marxists, don't call them democrats)
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3 posted on 01/27/2013 3:43:41 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: neverdem

The Bill of Rights were not granted by Government but by God. They (including the 2nd Amendment) are not debatable.


4 posted on 01/27/2013 3:45:22 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: onyx
"By calling attention to 'a well regulated militia', the 'security' of the nation, and the right of each citizen 'to keep and bear arms', our founding fathers recognized the essentially civilian nature of our economy. Although it is extremely unlikely that the fears of governmental tyranny which gave rise to the Second Amendment will ever be a major danger to our nation, the Amendment still remains an important declaration of our basic civilian-military relationships, in which every citizen must be ready to participate in the defense of his country. For that reason, I believe the Second Amendment will always be important." -Senator John F. Kennedy,rightwing extremist, April 1960

"Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of citizens to keep and bear arms. This is not to say that firearms should not be very carefully used and that definite safety rules of precaution should not be taught and enforced. But the right of citizens to bear arms is just one more guarantee against arbitrary government, and one more safeguard against tyranny which now appears remote in America, but which historically has proved to be always possible." -Hubert H. Humphrey,bitter clinger,Guns magazine, February 1960, p.6

from back when some Dems made sense.

5 posted on 01/27/2013 3:46:54 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: oldbrowser

6 posted on 01/27/2013 3:50:15 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

So a friend told me the other day that he was going to ask some buds to start training with him. Rifle use, tactics, targets, etc. So I said, “Oh, you’re starting a militia.” NO! NO! JUST getting together, no politics, practicing with rifles, etc.... “Yeah, I know... a militia.”

Until we recapture the terms, the law, and our history, we are LOST.


7 posted on 01/27/2013 3:59:31 PM PST by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can STILL go straight to hell.)
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To: neverdem

Yes, yes, and yes. Stop counter-offering with a subset of what the libs want.


8 posted on 01/27/2013 4:11:58 PM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: Travis McGee

Right, because Feinstein could not explain WHY government officials are exempt from her ban list.

If it is as stated their purpose is to ‘proctect the children’.


9 posted on 01/27/2013 4:44:11 PM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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10 posted on 01/27/2013 4:56:48 PM PST by RedMDer (HEY LIBS! GUN FREE ZONE T-SHIRTS AVAILABLE NOW. I DARE YA!)
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To: HMS Surprise

The left and the MSM (same thing) have succeeded in making militia a dirty word.


11 posted on 01/27/2013 7:17:05 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: neverdem

Want a counter-offensive? Full court press on overturning 922(o), NFA, GCA ‘68, and full elimination of any “me but not thee” exemptions.


12 posted on 01/28/2013 1:00:20 AM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
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To: oldbrowser

Until we regain control of our children’s education we will remain on the defensive. The entire point of government schooling is infatilism and control.


13 posted on 01/28/2013 4:06:03 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Texas Fossil

Which is why we have a rising generation of Godless children. They’re taught by the Godless. Who needs God when you’ve got the state for your daddy.


14 posted on 01/28/2013 4:42:06 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: ctdonath2

Your comments remind me of Francis M. Mitchell, a Chicago grocer. After the Chicago Fire he patrolled the streets with the best weapon available to the US Army soldier - .44 caliber rifle. He wasn’t trained or licensed. He owned it and he walked his neigborhood. Protecting it without be asked, questioned or stopped.

That was back when we had a clear view of right and wrong.


15 posted on 01/28/2013 4:45:50 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

Good point.

To the Left, gun ownership is an abstraction.
When it’s real - armed cops, neighbors on patrol in a crisis - they’re appreciative. Then the moment reality doesn’t demand gun ownership, it’s an abstraction again and demonization resumes. Hence the “for we, but not thee” BS of Feinstein et al.

Hence the importance of open carry. Concealed, it’s just an abstraction.


16 posted on 01/28/2013 5:27:02 PM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
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