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To: entropy12
If I understand Rubio correctly, under his proposal all illegals go at the BACK of the line formed by waiting immigrants. Therefore there is no special expedient entry granted to gain permanent status aka the Green card.

This is the crap that McCain tried to push. Words have meanings. The Democrats and the mainstream media have hijacked the language surrounding the immigration issue to the point that we had Michael Chertoff, the Secretary of Homeland Security and our nation’s top immigration official at the time, testifying before Congress using the term “undocumented workers” to describe illegal aliens. John McCain and Barack Obama studiously avoided the term “amnesty” to describe their comprehensive immigration reform plans and despite the evidence, baldly declared that it was not an amnesty. Instead, they used such euphemisms as “getting to the back of the line,” “an earned path to citizenship,” and “coming out of the shadows.” The Democrats and pro-amnesty crowd know full well that the American people are against amnesty, hence the avoidance of the “A” word.

Any legislation that allows illegals to stay and work here--the object of their crime--is amnesty. It is their choice if they want to become citizens or just Legal Permanent Residents. By allowing them legal status in the US they go to the front of the line. There are over 4 million intending immigrants waiting in line overseas for their turn to enter. They have completed all the paperwork and background investigations.

FYI: As someone who has been involved officially in the permanent immigrant process, I can tell you that many if not most of the illegal aliens in this country would not qualify for an immigrant visa or even a tourist visa.

All the time the illegals are waiting, they receive no benefits at all. Not even Obamacare.

Do you have a source for such an assertion? This is all nonsense. If you are legally here permanently, how do you get healthcare under Obamacare? Continue to use the ERs for free? Most of the illegal aliens are high school dropouts and earn low salaries. They would be prime candidates for Obamacare. And many illegal aliens are receiving benefits thru their American born children, e.g., Medicaid, food stamps, etc.

The details have yet to be worked out on the Rubio/McCain/Schumer/Graham amnesty plan. They would like to sell it to you with all kinds of promises and generalities. McCain-Kennedy was over 900 pages long.

So the only “amnesty” the illegals will get under Rubio proposal is they do not get deported if they have not broken any other laws. They have already broken the illegal entry law. That is the only amnesty.

No, the lawbreakers will be allowed to stay and work here. And they are not going to be deported if they broke other laws. It depends on the law and what is a felony versus a misdemeanor. Under the 1986 amnesty and McCain-Kennedy, you could have up to three misdemeanors.

Most of these lawbreakers have broken many laws including working illegally, tax evasion, driving without a license, ID theft, lying on employment forms, using phony or other people's SSNs, etc. They have committed multiple crimes besides entering illegally--currently a misdemeanor.

So I do not see the Rubio proposal as full amnesty, it is a limited amnesty for breaking the illegal entry law.

You have obviously drunk the Kool-aid. This is an amnesty not a "limited" one. It is the same thing as the 1986 amnesty, which was called an amnesty by everyone. Just because Rubio has been chosen as the salesman for this shoddy product that McCain, Kennedy, Hagel, and Martinez tried to sell us before, doesn't mean that the new packaging should be viewed any differently. My God, Chuck Schumer is part of this Gang of 8.

44 posted on 01/29/2013 2:57:05 PM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

Unless Obama is no longer among us, the border will not be closed off.


45 posted on 01/29/2013 2:58:37 PM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: kabar

I am going by what senator Rubio said on Rush today. I have not had time to do any further research.

As for illegals receiving benefits, what I heard from Rubio is that it is against the law now for them to receive benefits! But laws never stopped Obama. Why else would he file a suit against Arizona for executing federal laws? Also, federal laws are separate from local laws. States, counties, cities can make their own rules. The legislation gang of 8 is proposing has no effect on local ordinances.


48 posted on 01/29/2013 4:46:48 PM PST by entropy12 (The republic is doomed when people figure out they can get free stuff by voting democrats)
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