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Amish Men Accused of Animal Cruelty Defend Their Actions ("In the Amish itís acceptable")
WHAM News, Rochester NY ^ | 1/31 11:40 pm | Reported by: Jane Flasch

Posted on 02/01/2013 6:15:09 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines

Clyde, N.Y. - Two Amish men from Wayne County are accused of killing a litter of healthy puppies and their mother.

“This is simply a case of animal cruelty,” says Wayne County District Attorney Rick Healy who intends to charge the pair.

The nine dead dogs were discovered in a compost pile and reported to police January 17th.

Merlin Schumacher who owns the dogs says he was trying to breed Australian Red Heelers, but when he couldn’t sell the dogs and they became “too big” he asked an employee to shoot them.

Jonathan Eicher agreed to put the dogs down.

“In the Amish it’s acceptable to put dogs down. I thought as long as you did it out back it was okay,” Eicher told police. Eicher referred to what he called “the three S’s: shoot, shovel, and shut up.”

That is where Amish custom and New York law clash. New York A.G. and Market Laws prevent the killing of otherwise healthy animals for no reason.

“They need to understand that it is illegal,” says DA Healy. “They can’t treat the animals the way they want to treat the animals they must treat the animals humanely.”

Schumacher, who owns the dogs, told police he had “raised the dogs and couldn’t put them down myself so I asked Jonathan to do it.”

Both men now face nine counts of unjustifiably killing an animal which is a misdemeanor.

Schumacher was charged Wednesday, Eicher expected to be charged Wednesday evening.


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KEYWORDS: amish; cruelty; dogs; puppymills
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“In the Amish it’s acceptable to put dogs down...shoot, shovel, and shut up.”

Another religion of peace exposed.

(Posted as part of a discussion of crime, health...religion...and other cultural and societal issues, not as general interest or chat).

1 posted on 02/01/2013 6:15:20 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Hieronymus; VampireStateNY; governsleastgovernsbest; gaspar; NativeNewYorker; drjimmy; Atticus; ...

Upstate NY bump


2 posted on 02/01/2013 6:16:31 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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but when he couldn’t sell the dogs and they became “too big” he asked an employee to shoot them.

How about giving them away. Sheesh!

3 posted on 02/01/2013 6:19:32 AM PST by lysie
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

So are animal shelters where they euthanize the non-adopted animals illegal in New York State?


4 posted on 02/01/2013 6:21:30 AM PST by Piranha (If you seek perfection you will end up with Democrats.)
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To: lysie
How about giving them away. Sheesh!

That's what a lot of the local Amish mill owners do, but not in the way you'd expect. They dump the dogs out where they know the local SPCA will find them.

5 posted on 02/01/2013 6:22:04 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

I find it so comforting that the MSM cries over animal cruelty and cheers on abortionists.


6 posted on 02/01/2013 6:23:41 AM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: lysie

Millions of animals are killed each year in “shelters”, and no one says “boo” because it is done out of sight. Take care of things without involving the government, and you are defined as “inhumane”.


7 posted on 02/01/2013 6:24:05 AM PST by Pecos (If more sane people carried guns, fewer crazies would get off a second shot.)
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To: lysie
Good morning lovely lady. I miss talking with you each day.

Sad story. You only kill feral dogs. Like you said, why not give them away.

Sheesh.

5.56mm

8 posted on 02/01/2013 6:24:15 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: lysie

No differant then killing a cow ,horse or any other non needed animal.

It is up to the owner.


9 posted on 02/01/2013 6:24:40 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

they are a nasty problem in Missouri too running all kinds of foul puppy mills.


10 posted on 02/01/2013 6:26:26 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Melas; Lazamataz; Darksheare
The latest Amish atrocity. Proof of FR wacis core values.

Couldn't help myself.............:-)

11 posted on 02/01/2013 6:27:09 AM PST by Lakeshark (!)
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To: riverrunner

Biblically, we are to care for our animals,
but we are also given dominion over creation.

There’s a balance.

I don’t think there’s a problem with killing these dogs, no different than culling unwanted sheep, etc, as long as they weren’t tortured in the process.


12 posted on 02/01/2013 6:28:14 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: riverrunner

yeah you farm people sometimes can be might crude


13 posted on 02/01/2013 6:28:14 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Wow, an Amish story that really is about the Amish!

My property, my decision. Piss off if anyone is against the Constitution.

This twisted society gets it's collective knickers in a knot over a few dogs but couldn't care less about 45,000,000 murdered, slaughtered and mutilated babies.

In my world, animals are animals and if I own one and want to put it down, that is my business.

But recognizing that there are so many busy bodies that want to protect every creature except human babies, I adhere to the SSS strategery.

The most important one is Shutup; don't even tell your best pal.

14 posted on 02/01/2013 6:29:11 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages, start today.)
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To: M Kehoe

Hello, M.


15 posted on 02/01/2013 6:31:01 AM PST by lysie
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
"In the Amish it’s acceptable"
If so, how long before Sharia Law becomes acceptable?
16 posted on 02/01/2013 6:32:38 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines; lysie

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Rescue organizations can submit their dogs for listing using the contact form. We strongly prefer groups only list dogs who are currently in foster care, but we will also consider individual dogs who are still in shelters on a case-by-case basis.

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17 posted on 02/01/2013 6:34:54 AM PST by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: oh8eleven

Seems to me we need a non-arbitrary standard to judge why Sharia Law is unacceptable and Amish morals are acceptable.

Oh, wait, we have that.


18 posted on 02/01/2013 6:35:24 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

I wonder what the Animal Shelters do, i.e. the Dog Pound or the Humane Society?

“In Michigan, a private or public shelter must hold a found animal for four days after acquiring it, after which time the animal can be adopted out or put to sleep.”

“In California, animals must be kept at a shelter for six days, not including the day on which the animal was found. [48] After that, the animal can be adopted out or euthanized.”

“Shelters in Houston, Texas must hold an animal for three days if it is unlicensed or otherwise unidentifiable. [51] If the animal is licensed, tattooed, or microchipped, it must be held for six days after the owner was notified that animal was in the shelter (notification must be made by mail or telephone). [52] On the seventh day, the shelter may dispose of the animal at its discretion. “

http://www.animallaw.info/articles/dduspetadoption.htm

“If an animal is not claimed by its owner within five days after being so delivered to such humane society or society for the prevention of cruelty to animals, or pound, such animal may at any time thereafter be placed for adoption in a suitable home or euthanized.”

http://www.nyshumane.org/manual/manualHTML/Ch7NYS/NYSLaws_25B.htm

Looks like animal shelters can, after the prescribed waiting period, either kill the animal or sell it to a research lab.

And NY is going after the farmer?


19 posted on 02/01/2013 6:35:27 AM PST by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: lysie
We have Indian Villages all over Alaska. Wife and I taught at this one village (common practice everywhere though) that they never spayed the dogs and the dogs continuously had litter after litter. When the puppies were about 4 months, they were all killed just in time for another litter it seemed. When I asked the Indians why they didn't just spay the females; they answered "What would the kids play with then?" Indians saw the purpose of puppies on this earth was to amuse the kids. Perfectly normal and accepted in their world view.

Packs of dogs running around the village was to keep the bears from strolling down the village road; which was quite common come spring. I saw the dogs kill and eat each other and when I started throwing out lunch scraps to the dogs, I was told to stop. They wanted starving dogs, made good bear chasers the Indians claimed.

It all sounded different to me, but who am I to judge their way of doing things. The left should do the same.

20 posted on 02/01/2013 6:36:24 AM PST by Eska
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

On the bright side Merlin and Jonathon....you can abort humans all day long!


21 posted on 02/01/2013 6:36:37 AM PST by albie
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

They are treating those poor dogs like animals!


22 posted on 02/01/2013 6:37:18 AM PST by MNDude (Guns don't kill people, Democrats kill people)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Meanwhile, police all across the land continue to kill dogs with abandon. and without getting charged. They should have said they “felt threatened” like all the officers do, even when the dogs they shoot are perfectly friendly. Then again, it’s not Amish to lie (although it might be department policy).


23 posted on 02/01/2013 6:38:31 AM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: riverrunner

Its no more cruel than the way the animal shelter would euthanize them.

I know I would rather euthanize my dogs here at home if I had too. Its better than putting them through the stress of taking them to the vet.


24 posted on 02/01/2013 6:38:31 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines


25 posted on 02/01/2013 6:38:48 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: USS Alaska

and what if you want to protect every creature including the babies ........................I am livid at how “farmers” treat their animals, I am also livid at abortion, child abuse, and lots of other bad stuff. I want it all good. All of it, see? Including how the cattle are butchered, puppies environments, chickens and children not stacked in wire boxes, get it? See how it could be? That’s how I want it. I want everyone happy, comfortable, clean, warm, fed, including you and your puppies and babies and the dying.


26 posted on 02/01/2013 6:38:48 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: nascarnation

I doubt they would cheer if the babies were killed after they were born.


27 posted on 02/01/2013 6:40:11 AM PST by stuartcr ("I upraded my moral compass to a GPS, to keep up with the times.")
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To: Eska

who are you to judge?

That is plain stupid.

What they are doing may be “the way they have always done it” or some such putrid garbage, but it is wrong.

Who are you to judge if someone wants to kill you? Or abort your baby? Where you gonna draw the line genius.


28 posted on 02/01/2013 6:41:32 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Eska

The show about the people living along the Yukon on The Discovery channel covered the subject of dog euthanasia a few weeks ago.

It was a simple matter of catching enough salmon to feed the dogs through the winter or eliminating some dogs. Just letting the dogs starve would have been the cruelest act of all.


29 posted on 02/01/2013 6:45:12 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: yldstrk

Just a question for you to consider -

by what standard are you equating animal life with human life?


30 posted on 02/01/2013 6:47:46 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

I am not equating them, I am simply saying in response to kneejerk comment about protecting animals and not babies that there is nothing wrong with protecting both. it is a false choice that you can only protect one or the other. See?


31 posted on 02/01/2013 6:51:59 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Eska

It’s all relative, ain’t it?


32 posted on 02/01/2013 6:52:22 AM PST by stuartcr ("I upraded my moral compass to a GPS, to keep up with the times.")
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To: yldstrk

Agreed, the two are unrelated,

so, saying that “if you want to protect babies, to be consistent, you must also want to protect animals” is relating apples and oranges.


33 posted on 02/01/2013 6:53:55 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

yeah, so.......

I want babies protected

I also want animals protected

We can choose to protect both.

I don’t want animals or babies to suffer.


34 posted on 02/01/2013 6:56:31 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: lysie

That would’ve been TOO easy.


35 posted on 02/01/2013 6:57:14 AM PST by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: stuartcr

only to a relativist or a humanist


36 posted on 02/01/2013 6:57:39 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: SatinDoll

How does someone without a phone, or elecricity, list thier dogs? I’m just pointing out that this wonderful service would not work very well for an Amish farmer. ot taking sides here, although I think a box of puppies at the market would be preferable to shooting them, unless they had health problems.


37 posted on 02/01/2013 6:59:33 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
This is no different from what happens every day at any animal shelter.

The cold hard fact is that there are far more dogs and cats than people willing to take them.

38 posted on 02/01/2013 7:03:09 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (TYRANNY: When the people fear the politicians. LIBERTY: When the politicians fear the people.)
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To: yldstrk

No, I believe to anyone that can think.


39 posted on 02/01/2013 7:04:42 AM PST by stuartcr ("I upraded my moral compass to a GPS, to keep up with the times.")
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To: yldstrk
Who are you to judge if someone wants to kill you? Or abort your baby? Where you gonna draw the line genius.

Can't say I agree with your line of argument there, bud.

These are animals, not humans.

From the article: "Both men now face nine counts of unjustifiably killing an animal which is a misdemeanor."

Unjustifiably? In whose eyes?

The people directly involved, or the Chief Libtard in Charge?

If we're going to leave this stuff up to the CLiC's, you are going to be very surprised as to what kinds of things you might be doing on your own property that the CLiC's might find "unjustifiable". Like flushing your toilet more than twice a day. Better not involving outsiders in matters of the home and farm.

40 posted on 02/01/2013 7:06:57 AM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Believe it or not, this is the way Americans used to practice "animal control". It was the accepted way when I was a child. Now we have animal control by government, which is more humane. We just use the inhumane method to "put down humans."

BTW, that is how I learned that cats can't swim very well. They have trouble getting out of the burlap bags. (just kidding, life was different in my day. I still think that old joke is funny).

41 posted on 02/01/2013 7:12:56 AM PST by WVNan
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To: yldstrk
"Protected?" From what?

So you want it so animals can never be euthanized by their owners? Or is your problem the manner of killing?

Because I don't see any "cruelty" here.

42 posted on 02/01/2013 7:15:59 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

There are public libraries nearby, aren’t there? I’m sure the farmer could get help at the public library where someone would help by contacting a dog rescue outfit for him.

Some people just can’t resist saving a mama dog and puppies. A horse or a cow won’t die protecting a farmer, but dogs will fight to the death to protect their owners. Lots of folks here on FR know that.

I’m only pointing out that there exists an alternative to killing a mama dog and her puppies.


43 posted on 02/01/2013 7:16:01 AM PST by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
I'm still trying to figure out why the police were called.

Maybe in their rural area they couldn't give them away either?

Too many dogs and cats in this country any ways. Kittens are great until they grow up, get loose, go feral, have tons of kittens, and wipe out every bird, rabbit, etc in the area. I hate them.

Dogs are the same way. Except that the dogs pack up and then - they.come.after.you.

No sympathy what so ever. None. Zero. Nota. I live out in the country and having a pack of feral dogs attack you is one scary event. Been there, done that.

On my property one day and had a pack of dogs come at me. They know exactly how to hunt from instinct. Circled me. The pack leader was a large Lab. He stood in front of me and "GRUFF'd" in order to keep my attention while the others tried to come at me from behind. Sends chills up my spine just remembering it. If I hadn't had that garden hoe in my hands at the time, I tell you what...

Put them down instead of turning them loose. Absolutely. Amen to that!!!


And for dog catcher I have a write in candidate; Remington 870

Sorry if I was a little vague in how I really feel...
44 posted on 02/01/2013 7:16:24 AM PST by MeOnTheBeach
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To: yldstrk

“That’s how I want it. I want everyone happy, comfortable, clean, warm, fed, including you and your puppies and babies and the dying.”

We are expecting your check to pay for your above mentioned paradise.

It has Not yet arrived.


45 posted on 02/01/2013 7:19:41 AM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."..)
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To: yldstrk
No just sensible and have a realistic out look on life.
46 posted on 02/01/2013 7:22:10 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

I once put down a dog who had cancer for a neighbor, and I had to put down my own cat when he got so sick he had what seemed a complete mental breakdown. This was back in the days when I could still own guns and in both cases I wrapped them in blankets and petted them and waited until they were asleep.

I raised that cat from a kitten when I found him out in the snow one winter, he’s been gone quite a few years and I still can’t think about another pet of my own. But it seems all the stray cats and other people’s dogs have figured out I’m the local “free rubs” station.


47 posted on 02/01/2013 7:23:08 AM PST by fattigermaster
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

I’m confused.

If they had eaten the dogs, would it have been OK?

‘Cause most farmers kill perfectly good pigs, cows, chickens, etc.

The only difference I can see is that those animals sometimes get eaten, while in this case, the dogs became valuable compost.

I love dogs, but there are plenty of livestock animals who can be just as intelligent and affectionate as a dog.


48 posted on 02/01/2013 7:26:35 AM PST by chrisser (Senseless legislation does nothing to solve senseless violence.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

The cops would be happy to come over and shoot them.


49 posted on 02/01/2013 7:34:39 AM PST by pallis
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

This is crazy, I would never condone cruelty, but cats and dogs are property not people.

My Father told me that when he was growing up in the 20’s one of his jobs was to “take care of” the litters of kittens. It involved a full tub of water a board and a brick.
We are such bedwetters these days it makes me want to vomit.


50 posted on 02/01/2013 7:41:33 AM PST by READINABLUESTATE ("We must hang together, gentlemen...else, we shall most assuredly hang separately." - Franklin)
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