Skip to comments.The President Decides He Can Kill US Citizens Without Making a Case to a Judge
Posted on 02/05/2013 7:37:38 PM PST by Kaslin
RUSH: This is from NBC News: "A confidential Justice Department memo concludes that the US government can order the killing of American citizens if they are believed to be 'senior operational leaders' of al-Qaida or 'an associated force' -- even if there is no intelligence indicating they are engaged in an active plot to attack the US."
It is kind of open-ended. So American citizens can be killed simply based upon suspicions, a belief not even based on intelligence. That's what I just read here. I'll read it again. "A confidential Justice Department memo concludes that the US government," i.e., Obama, "can order the killing of American citizens if they are believed to be 'senior operational leaders' of al-Qaida or 'an associated force' -- even if there is no intelligence indicating they are engaged in an active plot to attack the US."
Well, that's not just open-ended. That's a pretty big net. That is casting a really wide net because it almost sounds like you don't even have to be a senior operational leader of Al-Qaeda or an associated force. Well, actually, an associated force is interesting. If this provision had been in place back in the seventies, does this mean that Nixon could have assassinated the Weathermen? Does this mean that Nixon coulda taken out Bill Ayers? Does this mean that Richard Nixon could have taken out the New Black Panther Party? It doesn't mean that? Well, "...'senior operational leaders' of al-Qaida or 'an associated force' -- even if there is no intelligence indicating they are engaged in an active plot to attack the US.
"The 16-page memo, a copy of which was obtained by NBC News," which means the administration gave it to 'em, "provides new details about the legal reasoning behind one of the Obama administrations most secretive and controversial polices: its dramatically increased use of drone strikes against al-Qaida suspects abroad, including those aimed at American citizens."
Remember all the grief that George Bush got for warrantless wiretaps on phone calls? Do you remember that? I remember when Bush was president, the American left was literally having conniption fits.
Does that mean Nixon coulda killed Bill Ayers? It does mean that. Bill Ayers or the Weathermen. He had an active plot against the US, bombed the Pentagon. If Nixon had assumed the kind of power that Obama's assuming, he could have sent a commando team out to wipe out Bill Ayers. You can't kill rogue leaders. No, you cannot. By law, we cannot assassinate foreign leaders. We can now kill Americans, as long as we say they are related to Al-Qaeda somehow. And that link isn't too tough. Al-Qaeda hates America. All you have to do is hate America and it could be said that you are an associated force.
Remember all of the anger that the left had over waterboarding. And look at this now. I think I have this right. Constitutional scholar Barack Obama is demanding the right to kill American citizens without making his case to a judge, as long as he thinks the American in question is in an upper tier of operations of Al-Qaeda or a related group. But he can't waterboard the guy. You can kill him, but we can't waterboard him. We can kill the son of a..., but we can't torture him. Have I got this right? I think I do. I thought you should know.
Steve in Grand Terrace, California. Hi. Welcome to the EIB Network. Hello.
CALLER: Hey, Rush. First thing I want to say is thanks for all the times you've made me laugh out loud while listening to you.
RUSH: Well, I appreciate that, sir, I really do. Thank you very much.
CALLER: I want to talk to you about something, but you just mentioned something. Can I bring up something about -- pronounce her name right -- Rachel Maddow, the lady that's on TV, she's kind of on the left side?
RUSH: You know, we don't talk about MSNBC on this program much. And it's not Friday.
CALLER: Okay. I apologize.
RUSH: I tell you what, I'm gonna go ahead and give you an exemption in honor of the seminar caller today, 'cause we're interested in balance. So I'll go ahead and let you. What is it you want to say about Rachel Maddow?
CALLER: Well, I was listening 'cause I joined this TeaParty.org, and a little thing was on there, and she was playing what Obama said from his own mouth, and she said, he's gonna create a panel, and this panel will have the authority to, let's say me, they didn't like what I'm saying and I pose a danger to the government, even if that danger is ten years from now, if they think ten years from now I pose a danger, they can come and get me for an indefinite period of time. And she was going out of her head, and she's on the left. She couldn't believe what he was saying, and if you ever get an opportunity you ought to check that out 'cause that's some curious things he's saying.
RUSH: I haven't heard this. You mean if you just say something that Obama doesn't like, he can come get you?
CALLER: Basically he was saying, if that panel, he said no one man should have the right, but we know if he created the panel --
RUSH: Wait a minute. Hold it, hold it. What panel?
CALLER: He wants to create a panel of people, and this panel will have the right to say this individual could be a danger or threat to the government in ten years, so they can go pick him up and keep him for an indefinite period of time. That's out of his own mouth. And she was just like in shock. She said (paraphrasing), "It's the worst thing I've heard in the history of doing this for a living."
RUSH: Honestly, Steve, I don't have any idea about this. I've never heard of this. I don't know what it is you're talking about.
CALLER: Well, if you get an opportunity, but I apologize for switching gears here, but when you were talking about that, it made me think about that, but the main thing is --
RUSH: The only thing I know, Steve, is if you produce a video that causes riots, say in Libya, they can put you in jail.
CALLER: Yes. That's for sure.
RUSH: Aside from that, I don't know of a panel that will put you in jail or get rid of you for what you're thinking.
CALLER: Well, you check it out when you can, and you'll find out he's opened his own mouth and said that's what he's planning on doing. As scary and as shocking as that is, it's real.
RUSH: Well, I don't know. We'll check. What is it you really called about?
CALLER: Okay, what I really called about is, you know, I just started a Tea Party group called the Desert Rats. It's just me. I just started it, but one of the things I want to tell everybody is, quit trying to create a third party. Just get a bunch of Tea Party people together, get 'em elected, and just take over the Republican Party and make it like it should be, not the mess it is today. Get rid of the Boehners, the McCains, the Lindsey Grahams, et cetera, and replace them with good people.
RUSH: You know, I just want to give you a little helpful hint, a little warning. You better be very careful who you say that kind of stuff to, or McCain might come and put you in jail.
RUSH: Jay Carney just admitted it at the White House press briefing. He defended the use of drones to kill Americans abroad suspected of terror activity. But at the same time they're in favor of killing Americans, they're still against the use of waterboarding during interrogations. That's the latest from the White House.
Civil war looms closer and closer.
What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
Whats the difference? A Monarch has historically held his serfs lives in his hands, Obama is just reminding everyone that we live and serve at his pleasure!
Shoot first, create evidence later.
” - - - kill Americans abroad suspected of terror activity. - - - “
Benghazi-Coward Hussein Obama has discarded “Due Process of Law” for pushbutton murder.
I ‘suspect’ that this is going to be a very looooooooooooooooooooooong 4 years!
“Remember all the grief that George Bush got for warrantless wiretaps on phone calls? Do you remember that? I remember when Bush was president, the American left was literally having conniption fits.”
And when Dear Leader started doing the same thing on Day 4 of his presidency, and has stepped it up, no lefty, progressive, or oppressor has complained. No issue with all the tracking databases Bush was castigated for.
Guess I’m a little slow on this......can someone tell me why Obama would want this document leaked? Is it a show of Obamas power or is it a threat? Another overreach of authority, and it just keeps coming.....no one is stopping him.
You have the wrong idea Rush.
Its OK if Obama does it because he cares for us, unlike those greedy Republicans (that mean old Bush) who tortured other human beings (Muslims) without due process.
Our President did it for Gibby and the children. That makes it OK.
“A confidential Justice Department memo concludes that the US government can order the killing of American citizens if they are believed to be ‘senior operational leaders’ of al-Qaida or ‘an associated force’
So..... the logical outcome of that kind of directive is that Obama should order a drone attack on the White House.
The Buzzard Kenyam usurper has just declared open season on John Q. and Jane Q. Public!
Gee! Pretty good, there, Obama!
Why, you, the reader, ask?
Last time something like this happened, the local forces surrounded, negotiated, and failed to come to an agreement with the site commander, of a little place called Fort Sumter. You have heard the rest of THAT story.
The Kenyan Usurper Obama just handed us Fort Sumter, in a long memo, again!
Long Live The Republic!
All in preparation for Valerie Jarrett to assume the new office of High Chancellor (or some other weird dictatorial title).
Another overreach of authority, and it just keeps coming.....no one is stopping him.
At least several times a week I find myself thinking that somehow I will wake up from this nightmare- that this country really did not actually elect that vile creature for another term. It’s been 3 months and I still can’t come to terms with it, not to mention things are getting worse much faster than I even imagined. The though of 4 more years of this is beyond comprehension. Our country will never recover. And just why IS no one even trying to stop him? Anyone? Hello?
Anyone have any idea what the caller was talking about....the Rachel Maddow comments about a panel, holding people in custody, etc?
I don’t know. Why WOULD he want it leaked? Makes no sense.
They have determined they can’t waterboard them to get any information. They don’t like housing them in Gitmo for some reason. so they will use drones to just kill them. However we have open borders. so we really have no idea who is in this country and whether they are Al Qaeda or not. Heck we don’t even know if the Prez is a citizen.
bottom line ... if they don’t like you they kill you.
Hey, what matters here is that the Bush Administration listened in on the cell phone conversations of foreigners in Pakistan and Yemen, thus violating their constitutional right to privacy.
Just a rhetorical question --
Sure it makes sense if you look at if from their perspective.
They are doing it to intimidate all those living in fly over country clinging to their bibles and guns. He is gonna push gun control even farther than they have in NEW YORK and when those that oppose it they are gonna determine them enemy of the state.
This Man-Child is capable of Hilter-Mengele style brutality.You really think Dept. Of Homeland defence needs 1.4 billion rounds of hollow point bullets to train with when everyone uses ball rounds usually? Or the Urban Assault Vehicles?
Hell they just told the country the biggest threat is local angry white men.
Sometimes you really need to see things for what they are.
We have the capability to vaporize a specific individual in a mideast shit hole half way around the world, but we can’t find 20+ million criminal invaders Even after they are arrested numerous times! Yeah okay...
Reciprocity CAN be a bitch. Just say’in...
We've killed 55,000,000 in 40 years; so what's a few more???
LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of... my ASS!
and Eternity is even longer than that...
“So how did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later?”
These aren’t irrelevant questions Dale Reed, but few realized the extent to which Obama was likely a creation of our own government, a creation whose documents have and would continue to be protected by professionals, such as former CIA Deputy Director, and now likely Director, John Brennan, the federal court system, and apparently, enough justices of the Supreme Court to block a hearing.
Obamas patron, beginning at lease with his move to Occidental, has leaked out thanks to a few who weren’t in on the scam, such as Attorney to Malcolm X, Louis Farrakhan, The Muslim BrotherHood, and Charles Rangel, along with having flown in a black WWII squadron in the US Army Air Corp, and having been Manhattan Borough President for a decade or so, Percy Sutton. Sutton let the cat out by revealing that Obamas Patron as of 1985 was Prince Whalid bin-Talal. Obamas comrades quickly pronounced Percy senile, and the press quashed his statement, which can still be found on YouTube. The politburo probably realized that scrubbing the Sutton interview would attract attention to it. Find it on YouTube and decide. The politburo announced that a Sutton family attorney declared Percy Sutton incompetent. The Sutton family said they had never heard of the attorney, who didn’t even know Percy’s correct age, and that Percy was smart and lucid till the day he died. He told the truth that the media and the left were doing an excellent job of ignoring.
When Frank Mieli located a 1979 Chicago Trib article (cited by Jack Cashill) by Vernon Jarrett, Valerie’s father-in-law, with bin-Talals legal representative, known in the 60s as Don Warden, and as Khalid al_Mansour after he went to work for the Saudi Family as a Wahhabi recruiter and lawyer, the connections became more clear. Vernon worked with Frank Marshall Davis for twenty years before Frank scurried off to Hawaii in the late 40s. Both were open communists, working at times for the same communist papers in Chicago. Vernon certainly knew Barry in 1979, when Warden/Mansour was already helping - with bin-Talals money. (The article described Mansour’s project to spend twenty millions of Saudi money educating minorities, mostly black and Hispanic. Mansour was later quietly funding Maddrassas throughout the world, and has been doing so for almost forty years)
It was Mansour who managed the funding of Barry’s brief appearance in Columbia’s records, even if no photographic evidence has appeared, and no student at Columbia ever saw him there. It was Mansour who contacted Sutton to help get Barry into Harvard. It was bin-Talal who donated twenty million dollars to Harvard in 1986, ten million more than he offered Rudy Giuliani to apologize for his brotherhood’s destruction of the World Trade Centers and Pentagon and the lives of three thousand or so Americans.
Obamas patron, bin-Talal, is the major funding source for the Muslim Brotherhood, the employers of Hillary’s aide, Huma Abiden’s parents. He is the largest external stock holder of News Corp - Fox and the WSJ - a very large Citibank, Oracle, Cisco, Apple, Siemens, and GE investor. Whether you consider this about money or Islam, they are Obamas foundation, and tied inextricably to oil. That is why Keystone is delayed and the EPA has orders to constrain any development leading toward energy independence. The Saudis need us dependent for their survival. Saddam would have taken them. Iran probably could, and would were it not for our our help, or Israel’s. That is why Obama has helped insert the Muslim Brotherhood into every country in North Africa that had managed to surpress them, with our help and Israel’s. Obama represents the Muslim Brotherhood.
Obama is not natural born, and every US Senator knows it. They all signed the nonsensical Senate Resolution 511, April 2008, sponsored by Leahy and McCaskill (Obama’s Campaign Committee Chair), after the Obama/McCaskill law, SB 2678, failed to pass in February 2008. Both bills supported by the Democrat Senate Judiciary Committee, were to proclaim John McCain eligible to run, after Democrats had spent eight years proving he wasn’t. They were correct, but with McCain running no one could question Obama, since neither was eligible. Was McCain part of the plot? He’ll never admit it, but it is impossible that he didn’t thoroughly understand the issue.
A natural born citizen is born on our soil to parents who were its citizens. Terms aren’t defined in the Constitution. Our framers knew that word’s meanings change in time, and the Constitution was based upon eternal law, natural law. So they specified, Madison and John Marshall, and James Wilson and others, that definitions come from the common language and law familiar to our framers. That is why there are no definitions in the Constitution. If you read carefully you will find one qualification of a term, “treason”, but one unique to our new nation based upon laws and not a monarch.
Was John McCain, a former prisoner of war, really not eligible? That was the gist of the Obama/McCaakill law, SB 2678, the Children of Military Families Natural Born Citizen Act. It failed to pass in 2008. McCain was the subject. Were he natural born the law was moot. It wasn’t, and the bill failed. I believe there should be an amendment, but don’t believe Obama or McCaskill really wanted to enable political opponents from military families. The military is generally conservative. The caution shown by our framers was warranted, particularly with as much as half our new nation wishing were were still a British Colony. Our framers grandfathered the early presidents, insuring that they had fought for independence with the 14 year residency requirement, but insisted that our presidents, uniquely, among our leaders, be born to those who fought for the revolution - born to parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty, in the words of Congressman John Bingham, the author of the 14th Amendment, our naturalization amendment.
Obama is not president because he was born a British Subject. Neither Obama nor the apparently overwhelming powers presumed to have voted for him (our voting system is completely unverifiable) respect the Constitution, and have said so. They would not care if he were born in Mecca. They nor many voters have not cared enough to insist on knowing his real name, on seeing his school records, verifying how old he is, or, as this thread points out, where he was born. It is to whom he was born that is more important. We knew who McCain’s parents were, even though he wasn’t born on our soil. That was the sentiment driving SR 511, and one with which I agree, but a resolution is not law. That, in my opinion, is an oversight, addressable, if we believe the Constitution still has some legal authority, only by the Supreme Court, or amendment. John Conyers made two attempts to amend the Constitution between 2003 and 2007, both of which would have legitimized Barry, but neither attempt, like at least twenty four others, left the Congress for ratification by the states. The Supreme Court, as Clarence Thomas commented to Senator Menendez, were avoiding the issue. Remember, Barry was born a British Subject, a natural born British subject, and, unlike naturalized Brits, could have been a Member of Parliament (our nation is much more liberal about who can be in Congress). Are any surprised that we, who don’t know our Constitution, are becoming more subjects to the supreme authority of our monarch and less sovereign citizens? Find the wonderful “Dissertaion on Citizenship...” by our first Congressional Historian, Dr. David Ramsay for the most eloquent discription of how subjects and citizens differ. Here is just a taste:
Subjects look up to a master, but citizens are so far equal, that none have hereditary rights superior to others. Each citizen of a free state contains, within himself, by nature and the constitution, as much of the common sovereignty as another. In the eye of reason and philosophy, the political condition of citizens is more exalted than that of noblemen. Dukes and Earls are the creatures of kings, and may be made by them at pleasure: but citizens possess in their own right original sovereignty.
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Well, obammy does think he’s king ya know
You just noticed that?
My prediction of a second civil war looks more likely.
Most likely an army would turn against Obama.
Centuries of "due process of law" have just been rendered inoperative.
He’ll have to take a number for RUSH.
The government being "afraid" of you is cause for arrest and confinement? The Founding Fathers surely are turning in their graves.
Will someone post that graphic of Islamic terrorist training camps in the U.S.? Should be simple to start there but something tells me the devil is in the definitions. The fact that the words “kill Americans” could be uttered by anyone in government is monstrous. Not non-Americans here illegally, not conspiring foreign nationals. This is chilling in its similarity to pre-progrom speeches by Hitler. The Jews-and most others-refused to believe it then-COULD NOT bring themselves to believe...and we all know how that ended. Hussein is following the script for all dictators. God help us!