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Is the Republican Party headed toward civil war?
CBS ^ | 2/6/13 | Lindsey Boerma

Posted on 02/06/2013 4:01:44 PM PST by Mozilla

For anyone who sees Mitt Romney's loss in the November presidential election as a harbinger of GOP decline, conservatives have a message - make that two, tellingly conflicting, messages.

One, embodied by the Conservative Victory Project (CVP) - a group backed by Karl Rove's "super PAC" seeking to curb influence from far-right organizations - and spelled out Tuesday by House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va.: Our olive branch is ripe, Democrats, and with the right legislation, we're willing to compromise.

The other, perhaps best summarized in paperwork filed today by ousted Rep. Joe Walsh, R-Ill., to create a "super PAC" countering Rove's: The tea party that in 2010 ushered into Washington a wave of staunch conservative ideologues isn't going away.

The Rove group's formation was just the most explicit among intensifying calls to inject discipline into a Congress that has seen unprecedented gridlock, particularly on critical economic issues.

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But despite some who believe the tea party peaked with its influx of dogma-driven freshmen in 2010, the grassroots activist group is sounding off about this new push toward the center. Statements from the various factions of the movement have echoed the sentiment expressed on Nov. 7 by Tea Party Patriots coordinator Jenny Beth Martin, blaming President Obama's reelection on the GOP's nomination of Romney - "a weak moderate candidate, hand-picked by the Beltway elites and country-club establishment wing of the Republican Party."

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: civilwar; gop; gopcivilwar; rove

1 posted on 02/06/2013 4:01:53 PM PST by Mozilla
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To: Mozilla

Bring it on, and let’s get it over with.


2 posted on 02/06/2013 4:02:44 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Mozilla
Don't care. Not a republican. I'm a conservative.

/johnny

3 posted on 02/06/2013 4:03:58 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: dfwgator

Communist propaganda bullshit


4 posted on 02/06/2013 4:04:08 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: dfwgator

Exactly, lets get done with it!
I get first dibs on Karl Rove.


5 posted on 02/06/2013 4:05:26 PM PST by Ouchthatonehurt
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To: Mozilla
Civil War no, Divorce Yes...

They have been treating us like ***t for years, they gave us the papers, we will move out soon...

Let's get it over with...

6 posted on 02/06/2013 4:05:53 PM PST by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: Mozilla

F*** the GOP. No money, no vote!,,,,,,


7 posted on 02/06/2013 4:07:06 PM PST by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: Mozilla
Being CBS, the article needs a little interpretation to more closely reflect the truth.

One, embodied by the Conservative Victory Project (CVP) - a group backed by Karl Rove's "super PAC" seeking to curb influence from far-right conservative organizations - and spelled out Tuesday by House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va.: Our olive branch is ripe, far left Democrats, and with the right legislation, we're willing to compromise adapt most of your socialist agenda.

8 posted on 02/06/2013 4:07:45 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Mozilla
"Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va.: Our olive branch is ripe, Democrats, and with the right legislation, we're willing to compromise."

That clown actually said that? Good grief!


9 posted on 02/06/2013 4:08:02 PM PST by avacado (he)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Don't care. Not a republican. I'm a conservative.

Same here. Besides, one man's civil war is another man's housecleaning...

10 posted on 02/06/2013 4:08:17 PM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: Mozilla

Th war’s already started. In fact it started in September 2008 when Team Romney and the GOP-E began stabbing Sarah Palin in the back.


11 posted on 02/06/2013 4:08:51 PM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: taildragger

I hope they go the way of the Whigs.


12 posted on 02/06/2013 4:09:29 PM PST by Mozilla
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To: avacado

And yet this thread will soon fill with mental giants berating us ‘purists’ and declaring Cantor, Rove and the rest our political saviors.

Don’t you SEE?!?!? If we only allow homo-everything, DREAMER amnesty and puppies for all, we will march boldly forward into a glorious Republican future!!!

/s

More like a glorious Republican Marriage.


13 posted on 02/06/2013 4:13:16 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Mozilla
The GOP-e is made up of a miniscule number of professional politicians but they can usually draw 15% of the vote ~ maybe a bit more if the guy running is a Mormon ~ Romney got that extra 5%.

That's obviously only a small part of the party ~ at the same time Mitt's old'man, George Romney, did a walkout on the party when Goldwater was nominated and he took about 10% of the delegates. He tried to abscond with the donors as well but that didn't work.

BTW, both candidates in that election followed the dicta that there's no middle ~ just your guys and their guys ~ and Johnson promised more Civil Rights Legislation in 1964 which took him from JFK's piddling 75% of the black vote (mostly in a handful of Northern states at the time) up to 97% of the black vote, by then expanded to encompass several Midwestern and Southern states (which was one heck of a lot more people).

Little did Goldwater realize all he'd needed to do was promise more of the same AND a Chicken and Waffles franchise in every city of 50,000 or more population (and no, that's not sarcastic since Goldwater, as a capitalist who'd ran a department store would have been highly respected for his business accumen and those franchises would look mighty good to the black leadership elites down in the states).

Nixon was the next guy up who understood the our guys vs your guys situation, and he won, and then Reagan won, and then Clinton won with it, and then so did George Bush.

Obama used it twice ~ you didn't hear him say anything about a middle BTW. Obama knows there's no middle ~ no spare 10% who are going to wait for the election to come to a decision on who to vote for.

The GOP-e can be beaten like a used rug if we stick to registration of new Republican voters and work at getting them to the polls!

14 posted on 02/06/2013 4:13:16 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Timber Rattler
You know this is Obama's plan, floating one contentious initiative after another.

And the RINO's are swallowing the bait, throwing up white flags right and left and flailing away at conservatives who complain.

Either RINOs are very, very stupid or they really are covert socialists.

15 posted on 02/06/2013 4:15:58 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Mozilla
The Whigs were oriented heavily toward fostering legislation that would improve and control the nation's financial well being.

They recently self-identified as THE TEA PARTY.

They already belong to the Republican party. Now, to get them to work together with the Abolitionists ~ and crush the professionals who know nothing of winning.

16 posted on 02/06/2013 4:16:08 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Mozilla

More like suicide.


17 posted on 02/06/2013 4:19:31 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Mozilla

“I hope they go the way of the Whigs.”

Don’t worry, they will.


18 posted on 02/06/2013 4:31:24 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Mozilla

How can you have Civil War amongst a bunch of cats? Civil War usually implies two sides (although it doesn’t have to). There aren’t two sides. There are hundreds/thousands of “sides” at this site alone. Conservatives couldn’t even agree on a candidate in the last Presidential election and unwittingly helped a RINO get the nod. Unorganized chaos.


19 posted on 02/06/2013 4:33:07 PM PST by plain talk
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To: Mozilla

Civil War? Fine by me. After the backstabbing treatment given Palin and the whole tea-party movement by these corrupt fifth-columnist GOP-E bastards, compounded by all their non-stop capitulating to Obama and his agenda, I don’t want any part of them. They can all go burn in hell, which is exactly where they belong.


20 posted on 02/06/2013 4:36:56 PM PST by greene66
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To: Mozilla

Oh, it’s a Civil War alright. But it’s between Rove, the Democrat Crime Syndicate, and establishment Republicans on one side, and Americans on the other.


21 posted on 02/06/2013 4:36:56 PM PST by Tench_Coxe
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To: Mozilla
Here is an example of Karl Rove's political acumen....spending $10,000 on an attack ad against someone who,

- in all likelihood won't run, and

- if she ran would have no chance of winning.

Ashley Judd slammed as carpetbagger and Obama follower in pre-emptive commercial strike by Karl Rove super PAC


Ashley Judd is getting an early lesson in political mudslinging as she weighs a campaign for the U.S. Senate.

Karl Rove’s super PAC American Crossroads has launched a pre-emptive strike on the “Missing” actress, slamming her as “an Obama-following, radical Hollywood liberal” in a new ad.

Judd, a Democrat, has been publicly flirting with a bid for Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell’s seat representing her native state of Kentucky. While McConnell aides and other Republicans have dismissed Judd as too liberal for the red state, the ad suggests she’s considered a possible threat by the GOP.



22 posted on 02/06/2013 4:39:12 PM PST by Bratch
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To: Norm Lenhart
‘purists’

I was called that so many times for not being cozy with the GOPe in this last election, I guess I am one - small government, lower taxes, marriage is a man and a woman, homosexuals will destroy the moral fabric of this country (can you say Sodom), strong defense, guns, guns, guns, high number magazines, hollow point cartridges when necessary, freedom, independence. Yes, I'm a purist and I'm not voting for a candidate who isn't that and I mean it.

23 posted on 02/06/2013 4:41:57 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: avacado

Beat me to it. Cantor’s sounding faggish.


24 posted on 02/06/2013 4:42:18 PM PST by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: Marcella

bump!


25 posted on 02/06/2013 4:44:31 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: taildragger
Civil War no, Divorce Yes...

RIGHT THERE IT IS. We leave them to their own absorption into the MarxoFascist Party.

However, that said - DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE the fact that the Ruling Class Judenrat GOP WILL do the bidding of the Obama Left and go to war to destroy Conservatives.

So in that regard, we are in a civil war - however this will be a war for our survival. Conservatives best understand this or they are going to be wiped out - both politically and then... when the time is right - LITERALLY.

26 posted on 02/06/2013 4:46:21 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Marcella

I have taken to responding to the ‘purist’ charge as follows...

The opposite of purity is by definition, corruption.

That says it all. If people are willing to compromise their principles to the point that they mock people willing to stand behind theirs, then they are as corrupt as the politicians they bitch about.

It really is that simple. They do not like hearing it. They whine and spout DU style BS to try distracting people from the issue. But it IS the issue. If conservatives compromise their core principles to support moderates, it is basic logic that such people are not conservative.

And they are exactly the reason we are in the mess we are.


27 posted on 02/06/2013 4:50:45 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Mozilla

LOL!
After WW2 there were Japanese on isolated atolls who never knew for years the Emperor had surrendered.
I guess one of them is writing these stories.

The wars over, conservatives won.


28 posted on 02/06/2013 4:54:51 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: plain talk

Well have the republican party keep caving into Obama to where there is no option but to do more than just rant and even protest to fix the nation. People will unite to defeat a common foe. They have to at least create a new party for conservatives or unite to defeat the establishment in primaries. But as the government encroaches on our rights and if republicans do nothing then it will be past the point of inaction. having said that, while people will agree the establishment needs be finished, they won’t agree on what to do afterwards. “Unorganized chaos” might ensue.


29 posted on 02/06/2013 5:30:55 PM PST by Mozilla
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To: muawiyah
The establishment is much smarter than we are. They field a number of moderates and quickly coalesce around one or two of them. While we conservatives have five or six people splitting our vote for about half of the primary cycle. Surprise! The moderate wins! Smart we are not. So my advice to conservatives is to really select one candidate early, get behind him/her and roll the B@stards. I won't hold my breath though we are too busy fighting each other to win.
30 posted on 02/06/2013 5:50:36 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: plain talk
You are so correct. We fight each other, insult each other, and then wonder how they continue to beat us. Smart we are not. So folks, STOP fighting each other. Find the common ground there is and work hard to expand that into something good. One more election as split as we are will loose this republic forever. Stop fighting amongst ourselves. Tell the truth. Stick to principles. And find what good we can.
31 posted on 02/06/2013 6:02:58 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Nuc 1.1
That's not at all how they do it. In fact they'll test fire any number of 'moderates' or 'amateur political types' just to make their pro look better than he is, and that he may even be among the ranks of the best candidates.

That's the way it was played with Romney ~ 16 candidates all told, only 3 of them lifelong Conservative Republicans. Romney's 22% looked viable against the 2% or 3% the other GOP-e candidates could pull.

32 posted on 02/06/2013 6:14:11 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Mozilla
It seems more and more likely that the solutions for America's problems will be somewhere completely outside of the realm of politics/politicians, as politicians do not represent anyone's interests anymore, other than their own.

...same goes for the mass media...

...only they've had a MUCH bigger agenda all along.

Mass media declared war on traditional conservatism more than 4 decades ago, but have been patient. The last hardcore resistance to achieving their goal is/was the WWII generation, with their passing whats now left is 3 generations of mostly programmed bots. What's deliberately been portrayed in the mainstream media as a "naturally evolving societal progress"...was entirely a preplanned and thoughtfully executed syllabus of social re-engineering.("fundamental transformation" if you will)

At this point can anything less than a complete(and inevitable)social/financial collapse causing a spiritual awakening/revival turn this Titanic away from it's destined path? I seriously doubt today's "entitled" society would be able to stand up to that kind of challenge the way their ancestors did.

Conservatives(mostly of my baby-boomer generation), for whatever reason(perhaps consumed with their own indulgences), ignored lessons learned from previous generations...and allowed the lunatics to take over the asylum.

The time for action is WAY overdue...but forget politics, it's a waste of time and resources, most now are just puppets for their masters special interests, not America's. Expose them for who/what they are, yes...but don't let that be a distraction from the REAL fight.

Instead, it's time for a counter-attack strategy on the REAL enemy, that one starts with a full assault on the media and the education system.

That's where the(cancer)seed was planted, and that's where it must begin to be eradicated. The easiest, most peaceful way of course is to simply starve(de-fund)the beast.

33 posted on 02/06/2013 7:56:23 PM PST by RckyRaCoCo (Shall Not Be Infringed)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Me too. Let the Establishment Pubbie Pricks play with themselves. I will be looking for conservatives to support and I hope someone will step up and start a real conservative party.


34 posted on 02/06/2013 8:01:00 PM PST by RatRipper (Self-centeredness, greed, envy, deceit and lawless corruption has killed this once great nation.)
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To: RckyRaCoCo
Instead, it's time for a counter-attack strategy on the REAL enemy, that one starts with a full assault on the media and the education system.

Yeah!

35 posted on 02/06/2013 8:10:49 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: Mozilla
Rove already has started the Republicans' civil war. Cantor is late to the party. Now is the time for a RINO hunt and to throw these poseurs out for good. No mercy for RINOs and no quarter for them.
36 posted on 02/06/2013 8:31:45 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: muawiyah
Yes and all the moderates got out early leaving three conservatives to split the conservative vote. This is how we got McCain and Mitt. Conservatives must coalesce around a candidate early to stand a chance. That means money and votes.
37 posted on 02/06/2013 9:01:37 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: CatherineofAragon

a limp wristed fancy lancer. I bet he eats cheese.


38 posted on 02/06/2013 11:30:40 PM PST by Psiman
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To: Nuc 1.1

There were enough of them on the ballots to still make Romney look good, but I don’t consider Democrats and Libertarians to actually be ‘moderates’ ~ first of all, there is no middle in American politics, and there are no ‘moderates’. That crowd are all hard core professional politicians and are ready and willing to do the bidding of the first big dog who comes along. Romney was their big dog.


39 posted on 02/07/2013 4:03:07 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: RatRipper
The single member district problem remains hence the need to TAKE OVER either the Republican party or the Democrat party.

All you need to do either one is form a new national committee and invite the state parties to send delegates for an organizing meeting.

40 posted on 02/07/2013 4:05:30 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

The dem establishment is having this problems too. The blue dogs are bitterly hated. I often wondered what would happen if the tea party allied with the blue dogs. Would they have enough critical mass to make a difference?

What about us getting blue dogs elected and co-opting the dems? It might be easier than changing the GOP!


41 posted on 02/07/2013 5:22:28 AM PST by FreeInWV (Have you had enough change yet?)
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To: Mozilla
Is the Republican Party headed toward civil war?

Not any more. Sumter has already bee fired upon and the the call has gone out for enlistments.

42 posted on 02/07/2013 5:48:29 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: FreeInWV

Too many Democrats are brain burnout jobs so it’s not likely they can understand such concepts as low taxes, freedom and firearms.


43 posted on 02/07/2013 5:52:00 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Mozilla

The RINO’s and GOP establishment are all chiefs and no indians. They have money and power, but no supporters. Rove’s $500 million in the last election bought exactly what again?


44 posted on 02/07/2013 7:25:28 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: Psiman

LOL


45 posted on 02/07/2013 8:08:03 AM PST by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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