Blistering Comments about Rove, Establishment

Vanity | 2-11-2013 | C. Edmund Wright

[LaRueLaDue]

Thanks! Look forward to getting it!

[Osage Orange]

Okay....based on your response. I'm guessing you worded the following wrongly....

It is also true that Newt abandoned Obama as well at two different times, and both were disasters for Newt

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Time will tell. You may be right in the end.

But so far, Palin looks more like a McCain than a Reagan -- more like some "rogue" or "maverick" or "loose cannon" who doesn't get anywhere than like somebody who is actually changing things.

If she and McCain didn't get along, it may have been because they were more alike than different. In any case, so far she hasn't been as focused and as motivated to rise in politics and change the country as Reagan was.

[GBA]

I don't want anything from you.

I was merely commenting on something you wrote on this forum that I agree with and was conversationally expanding upon my agreement.

I thank you for the additional background info. It supports my observations, and my conclusions, unfortunately.

I regret if my comments were taken as hostile or argumentative in some way, as I have no such intent. Please forgive my trespasses.

Good luck with your book and with your writing! I hope your book does well and opens new doors for your work.

[C. Edmund Wright]

Abandoned Obama as an issue, or as a target — is the context I was speaking of.

[C. Edmund Wright]

But so far, Palin looks more like a McCain than a Reagan -- more like some "rogue" or "maverick" or "loose cannon" who doesn't get anywhere than like somebody who is actually changing things

With due respect, that is ridiculous. First of all, you bought into the Maverick bullsh-t, which was not that at all. Thus, you equated two things that are not at all the same. You either totally misunderstand McCain, or Palin, or both, because they are NOTHING alike at all. Zip zero nada.

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It was you who said that McCain "fancied Palin as a young McCain." That struck me as pretty strange at first, and I wasn't sure what you meant.

I brought up the "rogue," "maverick," "loose cannon" thing as a way of understanding what you might have been getting at. McCain saw himself as a "maverick" who went his own way. Did you mean he saw Palin in that light as well?

Otherwise, what could you possibly have meant? That McCain saw her as a moderate? But he picked her because he thought she'd have appeal to conservatives. [At this point those are rhetorical questions. It doesn't really matter to me.]

It's pretty clear Palin hasn't behaved as Reagan behaved. You might want to see her as the next Reagan, and maybe [a big concession I'm making here] she might turn out to be like Reagan some day.

So far, she hasn't. She hasn't put her energies into a campaign and doesn't really want the presidency.

She may not share McCain's ideology, but her impact on the country hasn't been anything like Reagan's.

[C. Edmund Wright]

My contention is that McCain thought Palin was a moderate who liked to distance herself from other Republicans, just like McCain did. He thought her “rogue” attitude was the same as his “maverick” flapdoodle.

Now your Reagan comments are very strange. She clearly is philosophically very close to Reagan, and not very close to McCain, and that was my point. Your obsession with following in the same career path is not the point I was making at all. Besides, Reagan was still an actor when he was the age Palin is now. so that’s just a specious argument.

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My contention is that McCain thought Palin was a moderate who liked to distance herself from other Republicans, just like McCain did. He thought her “rogue” attitude was the same as his “maverick” flapdoodle. ... She clearly is philosophically very close to Reagan, and not very close to McCain, and that was my point.

Okay, so you explain that now. I'm not sure McCain knew that Palin was a "rogue" when he picked her. He may just have been trying to balance the ticket with a conservative. I'm also not sure that all the "rogue" stuff is really going to be very effective in governing a country.

Your obsession with following in the same career path is not the point I was making at all. Besides, Reagan was still an actor when he was the age Palin is now. so that’s just a specious argument.

That "young Reagan" and "young McCain" stuff was your thing, not mine. I was using the terms you provided.

My point was that ideology isn't all that matters. Jack Kemp, Bob Dornan, Duncan Hunter, Steve Forbes, Alan Keyes, Herman Cain weren't the new Ronald Reagan.

They may have taken positions similar to his but they didn't have his political skills. Some of them didn't have the experience to be president.

I don't know if Palin has those skills, but from what I've seen she isn't interested in being President or in honing the skills she does have for a campaign any time soon.

Good for her. Politics isn't all there is to life.

[C. Edmund Wright]

I run out of patience when dealing with a certain literalist mindset that is not sure how to process “pull quotes” - and treat them as fully developed ideas. They are not, they are pull quotes, and their MAIN REASON to exist is to pique curiosity.

for the fully developed ideas: www.tokyorove.com

[Cringing Negativism Network]

I agree.

The GOP has just about run out of playing room.

Either they let us back in. Or we go elsewhere, in numbers which will shock them.

Make up your mind GOP. Soon.

[wardaddy]

I am driving through the mountains of extreme north Georgia

in the fog texting on a droid which is another problem in and of itself .... will take you at your word and here by apologize to you for insulting you ..... my compliments for your efforts otherwise Thanks

[C. Edmund Wright]

no harm no foul - drive safe...