Posted on 02/11/2013 6:51:21 AM PST by traumer
Edited on 02/11/2013 7:25:41 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
Pope Benedict XVI is to resign from the head of the Catholic Church on February 28, the Vatican confirmed in a statement on Monday, after he said he no longer had the strength to fulfill his duties adequately.
A Vatican press conference started at 11.40 a.m. London time. A Vatican spokesman said the decision "took us by surprise".
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I am in shock. I hope he did the right thing
This neglects the way that the office of bishop developed from the equivalent of chief Rabbi to prelate. The apostles were charismatic figures, but more prophet than priest. When we say that bishops were successors to the apostles, we are speaking of the passing down of the spiritual authority, the teaching authority primarily. The Reformers had a poor sense of history and unconsciously assumed that the early Christians were pretty much like themselves and projected onto the Scripture a vision of their own society as “the norm.” Luther has a more sophisticated notion, but he also assumed that the Jews he knew were the Jews of Jesus’s time. But rabbinical judaism was a development of the post-temple period, where the role of priests was more or less subsumed into that of the rabbi. The Christian priesthood took another route, with the Eucharist as the replacement of the temple sacrifices. The first bishops were simply leading men of the first churches. We have forgotten how important Alexandria was in the ancient world.It was its New York, with Rome never being more than the Philadelphia, and Constantinople being the equivalent of Washington. For the church, the great significance of Rome was as the shrine city for the martyrs and apostles, Peter and Paul. It was the petrine authority that took preeminence, however. After the destruction of Jerusalem and its reconfiguration as a Roman garrison city, Rome quickly became the center of focus and pilgrimages to its shrines replaced those to Jerusalem, in no large part because transportation to it was available as its center of the empire.
The man began using a moving platform last year to reduce his walking distance. It's well known that Benedict had at least one stroke prior to his election. Ever notice his crooked smile? There are other signs of his having had a stroke too.
The fact that a spokesman is surprised doesn't mean he's oblivious to Benedict's health. It just means he's surprised.
I appreciate Pope Benedict's service to the Church. He could have declined and spent the best of his last remaining years of health with his brother. And doing what he loved--study. But he had the obedience to accept what was asked of him. Now he has the humility to admit his physical limitations. May God grant that I be as faithful as he has been!
I feel the same. Is it selfish of me to hope he still has a few books left in him?
I don't look forward to the Catholic bashing and other nonsense we'll be hearing in the coming weeks. I've resolved that every time I hear it I'm going to pause and thank God for having given us such a dear German Shepherd.
Peace be with you.
Next up, Peter the Roman.
Bad times ahead.
yup, because the results don’t go the way you believe they should, God can’t heal anyone. Thanks for showing us your foray into libtard logic.
That’s it! The first thought that entered my mind upon hearing the news earlier and I’m sticking with it. There maybe ‘legitimate’ reasons for him to step down but ‘the forces that be’ are spiritual. He may indeed feel tired and/or turmoil behind the scenes he does not want to deal with but can’t. It’s not about him.
It is just ‘the time’. It sure explains all the angst when Truth is presented and evil being so highly offended/taking it all personal deliberately.
BTTT
You are welcome.
Thanks for showing that GOD won't even heal His top MAN in the Universe.
(Perhaps there is something amiss here???)
1 Corinthians 11:30
That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep.
The issue is how truth is established, and whether historical descent and even being the steward of Scripture makes such assuredly infallible, or at least a body without whose sanction no one can have real authority.
The Reformers had a poor sense of history and unconsciously assumed that the early Christians were pretty much like themselves and projected onto the Scripture a vision of their own society as “the norm.”
On the other side we see a projection of Rome and a demigod papacy into Scripture, well your take is one interpretation, but a man of weightier name had a different way of dealing with the dissent of Reformers, which has been shown before,
"It was the charge of the Reformers that the Catholic doctrines were not primitive, and their pretension was to revert to antiquity. But the appeal to antiquity is both a treason and a heresy. It is a treason because it rejects the Divine voice of the Church at this hour, and a heresy because it denies that voice to be Divine..."
"I may say in strict truth that the Church has no antiquity. It rests upon its own supernatural and perpetual consciousness. Its past is present with it, for both are one to a mind which is immutable. Primitive and modern are predicates, not of truth, but of ourselves." - Most Rev. Dr. Henry Edward Cardinal Manning, Lord Archbishop of Westminster, The Temporal Mission of the Holy Ghost: Or Reason and Revelation (New York: J.P. Kenedy & Sons, originally written 1865, reprinted with no date), pp. 227-228 .
Luther has a more sophisticated notion, but he also assumed that the Jews he knew were the Jews of Jesus’s time.
Well, i do not think he was assuming the structure was the same in operation, but as regards general demeanor, at the overall level, greater men seemed to have the same basic conception:
"Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. " (Acts 7:51)
"And when they opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean: from henceforth I will go unto the Gentiles. " (Acts 18:6)
"Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost. " (1 Thessalonians 2:16)
AMEN!!
How many people in your particular congregation(s) have ever become old ... or ill ... or 'fallen asleep'?
What are your particular congregation(s), anyway?
Holy Spirit filled believing in HIM and what HE says ALONE.
Perhaps you see it/us as a peculiar people that praises HIM alone?
How many people in your particular congregation(s) have ever become old ... or ill ... or 'fallen asleep'?
The point you are trying to make actually supports PresentlyNoScreenName. We’re all equals here, including your pope. Only One stands above.
This exchange, to which you are a newcomer, began with post #17. Perhaps you could try to explain what point that individual was trying to make.
In your opinion, that is.
No popes so far!
AAHHhhh...
The old 'show me yours' trick.
Do you think I want to waste my time trying to defend the ERRORS of my church?
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