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'Big Sis' Reasserts Unlimited Power to Seize and Inspect Laptops
Townhall.com ^ | February 13, 2013 | Bob Barr

Posted on 02/14/2013 10:07:55 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: MeganC

Yes, agreed, but there are times when one may have to take some toys for business reasons.


21 posted on 02/14/2013 10:45:30 AM PST by elpinta (Jer. 10:23 - It really holds true!)
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To: MeganC

Where possible, thats best. Not everyone,, can do it, but for those who can,,,.


22 posted on 02/14/2013 10:46:11 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Kaslin

That’s one example of government by hysteria. Some appointees—mostly of the she type (boy wanna-bes)—have been threatening the populace and are trying to make messes. Somewhat like a child who picks her nose, tries to rub the offending matter on siblings, run to mom and make false allegations.


23 posted on 02/14/2013 10:48:29 AM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: palmer
A real criminal could easily circumvent this. For example he could download the entire contents of his laptop to a server farm (think "Carbonite"), wipe the disc and reload the basic OS and let them inspect it. Once here he could do a backup restore and voila! he's got his allegedly illegal data back.

Like gun laws banning "assault" weapons, the gov't harasses the law abiding while the crooks just dance around the law.

24 posted on 02/14/2013 10:49:19 AM PST by lafroste
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To: Kaslin
The writer of the article failed to mention that the DHS claim extends for one hundred miles within any border.

In other words, this Fourth Amendment-free zone encompasses the areas inhabited by a large majority of the people of the United States.

The DHS "Fourth Amendment-free zone"

An interesting map of the areas affected can be found here.

25 posted on 02/14/2013 10:52:58 AM PST by EternalVigilance (An irate, tireless minority...setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men...SelfGovernment.US)
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To: TexasRepublic
The government’s definition of “unreasonable” probably doesn’t match ours.

When there is no prospect of obtaining information that could only be obtained overseas, the search is by definition "unreasonable."

26 posted on 02/14/2013 10:53:45 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be "protected" by government.)
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To: elpinta

“Yes, agreed, but there are times when one may have to take some toys for business reasons.”

Here’s a question: Say you work for a Defense contractor and the Thugs Standing Around (TSA) demands your encryption key and then your passwords to your company device...do you get prosecuted or fired for doing so?

And say you just work for a private firm - can they fire you for handing over access to their networks when the thugs demand it?


27 posted on 02/14/2013 10:55:47 AM PST by MeganC (Liberals fool people by walking upright.)
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To: DesertRhino
How long will it take them to apply this to financial law? To US Tax law? To US environmental law?

Tax and financial laws, we're already there.

Where ever you go in the world, whtever you do there, you are US property subject to US taxes, US banking regulations, US reporting requirements. Even if you never set foot in the US.

28 posted on 02/14/2013 11:01:21 AM PST by marron
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To: Kaslin

Buy another laptop that is clean and used just for foreign travel or buy a spare hard drive that you swap into your laptop when traveling abroad. That second hard drive needs to formatted into Windows, Linux what have you


29 posted on 02/14/2013 11:02:21 AM PST by dennisw (too much of a good thing is a bad thing --- Joe Pine)
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To: al baby
I hope she likes brunettes with amble bosoms

I'm sure Big Sis loves brunettes with large bosoms (or even smallish ones that point out to the sides), but I don't know how she feels about bosoms that walk around.

30 posted on 02/14/2013 11:03:55 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Kaslin

One thing not mentioned in this article is that according to a news article I read here a few days to a week ago, DHS is asserting the power to search electronic devices within 100 miles of the border as well.


31 posted on 02/14/2013 11:06:27 AM PST by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: Vaduz; Kaslin
No such thing as privacy in an electronic world.

That's the new liberal mantra. I've heard it from every liberal I know - all within the past year. My liberal friends are wrong on this and you're wrong too Vaduz. We still have the right to privacy. The same mantra could have been used years ago when the telephone came into wide use - but the courts said otherwise. When the Government wants to listen in on land-line telephone conversations they have to get a court order. Our parents and grandparents fought for our rights and we must do the same.

Please Vaduz don't pass on liberal's newest lies as facts. We don't HAVE to live in '1984' - we can stop the totalitarians ... We have the right to privacy - we just have to work to make it happen.

32 posted on 02/14/2013 11:10:16 AM PST by GOPJ ( Illegal immigrants: violent boorish party crashers. Send them home, call police - make them leave.)
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To: MeganC

I work for a large company, and if something like that were to happen, I’d let them in and notify my IT guys instantly. The key the thugs hold would be worthless inside of 1/2 hour. Not perfect, but it would keep me out of both fires. I don’t get beaten up by the thugs and I don’t get fired.

Companies have contingency plans, and large companies have had a lot of “events” like this key-grabbing business. Every time a laptop gets stolen, for example (usually by the same Thugs Standing Around).


33 posted on 02/14/2013 11:10:16 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Kaslin

The country marches headlong into fascism and tyrrany, and the public still has its head up its a$$ and spends its time watching 2 1/2 a$$holes, kim kardashian, and stores of Marco Rubio drinking water.


34 posted on 02/14/2013 11:10:59 AM PST by I want the USA back
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To: elpinta

The FBI keeps escrow keys that work on ALL TrueCrypt encrypted partitions and data. I know a certain young man who thought his data was secure using it...and he quickly learned that it was not.


35 posted on 02/14/2013 11:18:53 AM PST by hiredhand
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To: MeganC

The answer is that you are toast in those situation.

That said, the Cryp tool I referred too, allows a user under those situations to turn over the password, and even then there is a hidden place to keep the secure information that is not ‘visible’ to the casual lurker.

Granted, someone familiar with forensics in this area would know where to look (and they would not need the password to begin with).


36 posted on 02/14/2013 11:20:15 AM PST by elpinta (Jer. 10:23 - It really holds true!)
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To: Paladin2
VPN with heavy encryption?

Or small amount of C-4 inside the casing with a five minute delay timed fuse


37 posted on 02/14/2013 11:20:58 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Kaslin

Not that I side with Big Sis, BO, or any government official, but this really isn’t new

Our expectation of a “reasonable right to privacy” has always stopped at our borders.

We have the option of not traveling out side of the those borders, or not taking our electronic equipment with us.


38 posted on 02/14/2013 11:23:09 AM PST by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: Paladin2

maybe - I prefer UPS ground........my wife mailed friggin smoked ham from germany to me and it made it untouched


39 posted on 02/14/2013 11:26:55 AM PST by Revelation 911 (hump scratching n'er do well.....all strung out on chicken wings and venison jerky)
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To: Carry_Okie
I haven't seen it on the thread yet, but here's a copy of the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution, for legacy purposes of course...

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

There are severn exceptions to the right to privacy under the Fourth Amendment

Border crossing is one

Consent is another as well as bing searched when you are arrested. If you want the rest, I can go on.

No to be contentious, but this really isn't anything new.

40 posted on 02/14/2013 11:28:46 AM PST by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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