Posted on 02/21/2013 10:50:03 PM PST by furquhart
It has already begun with the attempts of the left to disarm us. But it won't be army vs. army this time; it will be federal alphabet agencies vs. individuals and small groups. Until we awaken to the fact that cutting off the head will kill the snake and start terminating THOSE WHO GIVE THE ORDERS we are all at risk.
As long as 47% are net beneficiaries of government largesse, they will see no need for sanity and actively oppose limited government.
Well its coming but its not going to be Civil War like 1861. This is not about secession its about the restoration of the Constitutional Republic. More than likely it will be carried out by the local sheriff’s and state govts. The states have the authority and the ability to bring the Federal govt under control and they will at some point. Or at least enough of them will.
If we experience the economic collapse in the next year or so you will see it happen then as the Fed govt will make their move to jackboot the public, declare martial law etc.
Governors won’t allow the Feds to cross their borders and manhandle the civilian population, confiscate guns ect. No Governor wants to see the populatin of his/her state out inthe street annihilating federal agents and cops which is what will happen if they don’t handle it.
“Governors won’t allow the Feds to cross their borders and manhandle the civilian population, confiscate guns ect. “
Sure they will. I mean, they sign these unconstitutional laws all the time. Do you really think the Governor of New York State will defend the people of New York from the feds? No way in Hell. He is committing acts of tyranny against them right now. He sure as Hell won’t protect them from the tyranny of the feds as he agrees with the feds.
I believe the opening shots are already being fired...Albiet it is not as loud as one would expect...
The feigns, Olay’s and the playground sentiment “You missed me, you missed me, neener neener neeeeeenerrrr!!!” Are what we are seeing now, and it is only irritating the whole situation...
The left and its Fabian socialist genre, are continuing to press the attack, hedging their bet that we will not fight back effectively enough till it IS actually too late...
When that occurs, and the fight really begins, everyone loses...
Me??? I am prepared either way it goes...
There will not be a definitive Lexington/Concord, Fort Sumter, Gulf of Tonkin type incident to enrage a reaction to arms some may expect...
Those opening shots have already been fired, in places like Ruby Ridge, Waco and the potential intrusiveness of government and law enforcement drones flying over our heads...
I have a lot more to add, but I figure this is enough to get my idea across for now...
The interesting part in all of this is if the administration REALLY wants to avoid a reaction everyone will regret, they would stop this attack on our country, wouldn’t they???
Which kinda begs the question, why have they not??? they already know where this is going...
Just my opinion...
I think I qualified my statement by saying that enough states will stand up. Nobody thinks NY, NJ,CA, MA etc will stand up and do anything. They are a bunch of hopeless Libtards.
Your thesis is very similar to Bill Whittle’s concept of creating a seperate economy/culture. It deserves to be debated and considered. Interesting.
“I think I qualified my statement by saying that enough states will stand up.”
Maybe six might. Maybe. Don’t mean to be a Debbie Downer but so far not even that many have taken any direct action. I don’t think any have actually passed any of those bills we’ve been watching. Lots of, “Introduced a bill to...”, but none have seem to have passed yet.
I think you will be suprised at how fast the states will step up if the jackboot comes down. Once 5-6 do it the others will take heart and follow like dominoes.
This premise is flawed, states in the south, especially, and some in the mid west are not going to sit idly by while the coasts melt down in chaos. No, they WILL secede. Whether war comes is another story.
We're not organized, we're South Carolina.
There is a big difference between a civil war and a coup d'etat.
A civil war implies too groups that have enough size and military might to fight each other. They can, of course, be very lopsided affairs. It would appear that the US Military completely outclasses the Taliban, but then again it has apparently been very difficult for the US Military to vanquish them.
A coup is a much simpler thing. The Army comes in and deposes the current ruler and life continues. Could a Coup take place in the USA? Your comments suggest that one could, but it seems quite unlikley to me. The military higher ups are too smart to want to own the problems that the POTUS has: budget deficits, the debt, American's declining standard of living, etc. Because of our long history as a Republic I don't think a General would have any legitimacy as the ruler, which probably makes it less attractive to pull off a coup.
As for an actual civil war, that is interesting to contemplate. There have been many fiction books written that include that idea. In most of them have some break-away state or states pull out of the USA. ("Middle America" series, Chappaqua Uprising, Boston T. Party's Molon Labe. Ross's Unintended Consequences, the latter volumes in Matt Braken's Enemies Foreign and Domestic trilogy are set in a post-civil war America where the USA has fractured into several different political entities. Heading deeper into the darkness there is the explicitly racist future civil war scenario in The Brigade trilogy by Covington, and a matching book where the Latino's revolt in LA and form Azatlan.)
Personally I'm in agreement that State vs. State conflict like the first American War Between the States is unlikely, and most of the scearios that call for groups to organize into units as big as we did in the civil war, that just seems highly unlikely.
Tom Chittum's book "Civil War II" is not a novel or fiction, it's an analysis of how the USA is headed to civil war. His experience in Rhodesia and Yugoslavia informs his views, and he argues that no matter what kicks it off societies always shatter along racial and ethnic and religious lines. His view of CWII is therefore various racial groups in different areas fighting each other.
Archy has said for years that the scenario most likely is a dirty war similar to those in South America where factions fought in the dark, but everyone pretended things were normal in some ways in the day. Disappeared people, assassinations, sabotage. Factions will include governments, but also para-governmental groups, small cells of dissidents, unions, gangs.
Bracken's article on the dynamics of the opening phases of such a war is still perhaps the most detailed and well thought out scenario that anyone has come up with:
CW2 Cube: Mapping the Meta Terrain of Civil War 2
Lots of speculative fiction and some interesting non-fiction has been done on this topic. I look forward to reading yours.
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