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This is my new book, partially inspired by what I've read here - the Amazon link is http://www.amazon.com/House-Divided-Second-Civil-ebook/dp/B00BIAJ7MS/ref=la_B00A08VH68_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1361504518&sr=1-5

I'd love to share it with you folks.

1 posted on 02/21/2013 10:50:07 PM PST by furquhart
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Here in Louisiana we are ready for cw2 against the democrats/socialists
33 posted on 02/22/2013 5:54:02 AM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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The franticpacquisition of guns and ammunition by the government and the populace suggests that civil violence of some sort is definitely seen as a possibility by a very large segment of the population and by the government. Many folks don't, up in front of their minds, think anything like domestic warfare can occur but they have acquired an intense interest in firearms and ammunition. Everyone is becoming a gun collector. Even many lefties, who publicly abhor guns, are buying guns and ammo.
34 posted on 02/22/2013 6:14:23 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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Ping for later


35 posted on 02/22/2013 7:00:51 AM PST by The FIGHTIN Illini
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Nope.
Not as long as people still have cable service.
TV is much, MUCH better at placating that masses than “circuses” were.


40 posted on 02/22/2013 7:44:03 AM PST by Little Ray (Waiting for the return of the Gods of the Copybook Headings.)
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All of this lends itself to a simple question: is a Second Civil War actually plausible?

It has already begun with the attempts of the left to disarm us. But it won't be army vs. army this time; it will be federal alphabet agencies vs. individuals and small groups. Until we awaken to the fact that cutting off the head will kill the snake and start terminating THOSE WHO GIVE THE ORDERS we are all at risk.

41 posted on 02/22/2013 8:30:38 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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I hope that the American people will come to their senses and accept the need to restore fiscal sanity and the basic principles of limited government before we ever reach the banks of that particular Rubicon.

As long as 47% are net beneficiaries of government largesse, they will see no need for sanity and actively oppose limited government.

42 posted on 02/22/2013 8:35:10 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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CWII Ping.


43 posted on 02/22/2013 11:42:43 AM PST by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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CWII Ping.


44 posted on 02/22/2013 11:43:24 AM PST by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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Well its coming but its not going to be Civil War like 1861. This is not about secession its about the restoration of the Constitutional Republic. More than likely it will be carried out by the local sheriff’s and state govts. The states have the authority and the ability to bring the Federal govt under control and they will at some point. Or at least enough of them will.

If we experience the economic collapse in the next year or so you will see it happen then as the Fed govt will make their move to jackboot the public, declare martial law etc.

Governors won’t allow the Feds to cross their borders and manhandle the civilian population, confiscate guns ect. No Governor wants to see the populatin of his/her state out inthe street annihilating federal agents and cops which is what will happen if they don’t handle it.


45 posted on 02/22/2013 12:56:37 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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Good summary of the 1073 Chilean coup.
Most who incorrectly reference that affair gloss over the pertinent details that you explain.
52 posted on 02/22/2013 4:54:04 PM PST by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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No. I believe, and A House Divided hypothesizes, that a Second Civil War would be likely to take a form radically different than the first, bearing more resemblance to the Commons versus Crown clash that was the English Civil War or to the repeats turnings-over of the state experienced during the civil wars of the final days of the Roman republic than the secessionist struggle of the first that, at one time, the Federal Government classified as the “war of the rebellion.”

This premise is flawed, states in the south, especially, and some in the mid west are not going to sit idly by while the coasts melt down in chaos. No, they WILL secede. Whether war comes is another story.

53 posted on 02/22/2013 5:00:37 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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“will an organized group ever attempt to again secede from the United States?”, to which the answer is almost certainly no.

We're not organized, we're South Carolina.

54 posted on 02/23/2013 1:03:38 AM PST by SC Swamp Fox (Aim small, miss small.)
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I haven't read your book, but I will try to once I find my Kindle.

There is a big difference between a civil war and a coup d'etat.

A civil war implies too groups that have enough size and military might to fight each other. They can, of course, be very lopsided affairs. It would appear that the US Military completely outclasses the Taliban, but then again it has apparently been very difficult for the US Military to vanquish them.

A coup is a much simpler thing. The Army comes in and deposes the current ruler and life continues. Could a Coup take place in the USA? Your comments suggest that one could, but it seems quite unlikley to me. The military higher ups are too smart to want to own the problems that the POTUS has: budget deficits, the debt, American's declining standard of living, etc. Because of our long history as a Republic I don't think a General would have any legitimacy as the ruler, which probably makes it less attractive to pull off a coup.

As for an actual civil war, that is interesting to contemplate. There have been many fiction books written that include that idea. In most of them have some break-away state or states pull out of the USA. ("Middle America" series, Chappaqua Uprising, Boston T. Party's Molon Labe. Ross's Unintended Consequences, the latter volumes in Matt Braken's Enemies Foreign and Domestic trilogy are set in a post-civil war America where the USA has fractured into several different political entities. Heading deeper into the darkness there is the explicitly racist future civil war scenario in The Brigade trilogy by Covington, and a matching book where the Latino's revolt in LA and form Azatlan.)

Personally I'm in agreement that State vs. State conflict like the first American War Between the States is unlikely, and most of the scearios that call for groups to organize into units as big as we did in the civil war, that just seems highly unlikely.

Tom Chittum's book "Civil War II" is not a novel or fiction, it's an analysis of how the USA is headed to civil war. His experience in Rhodesia and Yugoslavia informs his views, and he argues that no matter what kicks it off societies always shatter along racial and ethnic and religious lines. His view of CWII is therefore various racial groups in different areas fighting each other.

Archy has said for years that the scenario most likely is a dirty war similar to those in South America where factions fought in the dark, but everyone pretended things were normal in some ways in the day. Disappeared people, assassinations, sabotage. Factions will include governments, but also para-governmental groups, small cells of dissidents, unions, gangs.

Bracken's article on the dynamics of the opening phases of such a war is still perhaps the most detailed and well thought out scenario that anyone has come up with:

CW2 Cube: Mapping the Meta Terrain of Civil War 2

Lots of speculative fiction and some interesting non-fiction has been done on this topic. I look forward to reading yours.

55 posted on 02/23/2013 10:47:11 AM PST by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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