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Jimmy Carter on "Argo": "It’s a great drama, and I hope it gets the Academy Award for best film"
CNN ^ | 2/22/13

Posted on 02/23/2013 9:08:14 AM PST by Borges

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To: Borges

Actually, the six weren’t hostages. They had escaped and were in hiding.


61 posted on 02/23/2013 2:27:31 PM PST by what's up
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To: what's up

The hostages in Argo got out in Jan 1980 a full year before the main band of hostages got out. Reagan was not in power yet.


62 posted on 02/23/2013 2:29:13 PM PST by Borges
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But you’re right ‘hostage’ was the wrong word to use about the Argo people. In any case the biggest historical problem with the film was how much credit is given to the C.I.A. when it was apparently the Canadian Ambassador and Canadian government who pulled it off. Tony Mendez, who Affleck played, was only in Iran for a day and a half.


63 posted on 02/23/2013 2:31:52 PM PST by Borges
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The hostages in Argo got out in Jan 1980 a full year

I guess I'm confused. Why did you say they got out on Reagan's first day?

64 posted on 02/23/2013 2:34:14 PM PST by what's up
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To: Borges
He supported the Shah ? Wow, with friends like him, who needs enemas.
65 posted on 02/23/2013 2:34:16 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: what's up

I was thinking of the actual hostages not the Argo hideaways. Conflated them by mistake.


66 posted on 02/23/2013 2:40:32 PM PST by Borges
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To: fieldmarshaldj

It’s not like the hardcore Muzzies are known for making socio-political distinctions. :)


67 posted on 02/23/2013 2:42:05 PM PST by Borges
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What I’ve read suggested that Mossadegh was hostile to communism...

Is there hard evidence these days that he was a Stalinist puppet?

The Communists were already throughout the government, so the PM's real agenda and loyalties are merely perception.

First, some background:

Warning! The following article is from The Great Soviet Encyclopedia (1979). It might be outdated or ideologically biased.

Iranian Communist Party

(ICP, Hezb-e Kom-munist-e Iran), founded in June 1920, at a congress of the Social Democratic party, Adalat, in the town of Enzeli. The party program set itself the goal of liberating Iran from imperialist domination, annulling the enslaving Anglo-Iranian Treaty of 1919, overthrowing the Qajar dynasty, and eliminating largescale feudal landholding. After the congress the party joined the Comintern.

Because of leftist-deviation influences, serious errors were committed by the ICP leadership in 1920: they called for the immediate carrying out of a socialist revolution in Iran and for the confiscation of land not only of the large landlords but also of small landowners—without considering that the objective conditions for such measures had not been created. Propaganda was prematurely conducted against Islam. The adventurist elements were expelled from the Central Committee in October 1920, and a new Central Committee membership was elected, headed by Haydar Khan Amu-ogly.

The Iranian Communists were active in the national liberation movement in Iran between 1920 and 1922. After the assumption of power by Reza Shah Pahlavi in 1925, the ICP was subjected to repression. The second congress of the party (held illegally in 1927) adopted a new program and rules, theses on the agrarian and national problems, and a decision on activities among workers, youth, and women.

Between 1929 and 1931 the ICP led the strike movement in Iran. In May 1931 the government enacted a law banning Communist activities. Many active members of the party and the majority of the ICP Central Committee were arrested. In 1934 the ICP again resumed work under the leadership of Taqi Erani. In 1937 the party was again subjected to repression; the party and trade union organizations were broken up and activists thrown into prison. In 1938 a trial was held of the leaders of the ICP (“Trial of the 53”), and in 1940 Erani was murdered in prison.

Tudeh (the People’s Party of Iran), founded in 1941, became the successor of the ICP.

Now pay attention to Tudeh in this link, which is a general and specific discussion of Soviet Communist takeover and puppeting of states, including specifics regarding Iran. Long and difficult but very revealing, take notes:

The Iranian Left and Tudeh Communist Party

68 posted on 02/23/2013 3:46:31 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Borges
What I’ve read suggested that Mossadegh was hostile to communism...

Is there hard evidence these days that he was a Stalinist puppet?

The Communists were already throughout the government, so the PM's real agenda and loyalties are merely perception.

First, some background:

Warning! The following article is from The Great Soviet Encyclopedia (1979). It might be outdated or ideologically biased.

Iranian Communist Party

(ICP, Hezb-e Kom-munist-e Iran), founded in June 1920, at a congress of the Social Democratic party, Adalat, in the town of Enzeli. The party program set itself the goal of liberating Iran from imperialist domination, annulling the enslaving Anglo-Iranian Treaty of 1919, overthrowing the Qajar dynasty, and eliminating largescale feudal landholding. After the congress the party joined the Comintern.

Because of leftist-deviation influences, serious errors were committed by the ICP leadership in 1920: they called for the immediate carrying out of a socialist revolution in Iran and for the confiscation of land not only of the large landlords but also of small landowners—without considering that the objective conditions for such measures had not been created. Propaganda was prematurely conducted against Islam. The adventurist elements were expelled from the Central Committee in October 1920, and a new Central Committee membership was elected, headed by Haydar Khan Amu-ogly.

The Iranian Communists were active in the national liberation movement in Iran between 1920 and 1922. After the assumption of power by Reza Shah Pahlavi in 1925, the ICP was subjected to repression. The second congress of the party (held illegally in 1927) adopted a new program and rules, theses on the agrarian and national problems, and a decision on activities among workers, youth, and women.

Between 1929 and 1931 the ICP led the strike movement in Iran. In May 1931 the government enacted a law banning Communist activities. Many active members of the party and the majority of the ICP Central Committee were arrested. In 1934 the ICP again resumed work under the leadership of Taqi Erani. In 1937 the party was again subjected to repression; the party and trade union organizations were broken up and activists thrown into prison. In 1938 a trial was held of the leaders of the ICP (“Trial of the 53”), and in 1940 Erani was murdered in prison.

Tudeh (the People’s Party of Iran), founded in 1941, became the successor of the ICP.

Now pay attention to Tudeh in this link, which is a general and specific discussion of Soviet Communist takeover and puppeting of states, including specifics regarding Iran. Long and difficult but very revealing, take notes:

The Iranian Left and Tudeh Communist Party

69 posted on 02/23/2013 3:46:31 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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I am glad you posted that, I didn’t think to search under those terms, soviet party and tudeh for my site

that info is a gold mine when refuting the Ron Paul types who back Mossedegh


70 posted on 02/23/2013 4:36:49 PM PST by RaceBannon (When Chuck Norris goes to bed, he checks under it for Clint Eastwood!)
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Yeah, almost nobody has any idea about who the (international) Communists really are.

They are evil (and successful) beyond belief.

Almost everything commonly quoted is leftist socialist revisionist history.

71 posted on 02/23/2013 5:06:43 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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