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Oakland Neighbors Policing Their Own Streets As They Lose Faith In Cops
CBS SF Bay Area ^ | 2-26-13 | Staff

Posted on 02/26/2013 9:10:45 PM PST by 444Flyer

OAKLAND (KPIX 5) – Oakland’s crime problems have gotten so bad that some people aren’t even bothering to call the cops anymore; instead, they’re trying to solve and prevent crimes themselves.

KPIX 5 cameras caught up with a half dozen neighbors in East Oakland’s Arcadia Park neighborhood Monday as they walked the streets on the lookout for crime. The vigilance has never seemed more necessary than now; 25 homes in the neighborhood have been burglarized over the last two months alone.

In a neighborhood that has started to feel like the wild west, people have even started posting “wanted” signs.

(Excerpt) Read more at sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: banglist; crime; guncontrol; secondamendment
"“You have to walk around in your house with a gun to feel safe here,” said Alaska Tarvins of the Arcadia Park Board of Directors."

From the sound of it, there are multiple thugs coming through neighborhoods together. I hope Mr./Ms. Tarvins has a firearm with the ability to defend themself against more than 2-3+ robbers/rapists/murderers at a time.

Soon, the State of California and the Obama administration plan to be infringing on those rights if they have their way. All in the name of 'public safety'. Blatant irrationality.

1 posted on 02/26/2013 9:10:50 PM PST by 444Flyer
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To: 444Flyer

Aren’t the Mexicans in Mexico doing that in a particular town?


2 posted on 02/26/2013 9:12:38 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: 444Flyer
Obama and the State of California want to disarm law abiding citizens, directly allowing thugs like these to have their way with your property and you and your family.


3 posted on 02/26/2013 9:14:33 PM PST by 444Flyer (Obama killed the Twinkie, but not the Terrorists in Benghazi. What's wrong with this picture?)
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To: 444Flyer
They should just put Epic Beard Man in charge...


4 posted on 02/26/2013 9:16:41 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: 444Flyer

Maybe they saw how well it worked out for George Zimmerman.


5 posted on 02/26/2013 9:21:14 PM PST by informavoracious (God help us.)
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To: 444Flyer

Calling Travon Martin....


6 posted on 02/26/2013 9:45:00 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: informavoracious

Looks like part of the plan to societal self destruct.


7 posted on 02/26/2013 9:45:47 PM PST by Republican1795.
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To: 444Flyer; All
I'm glad that this thread was started because it relates so well to the 2nd Amendment.

More specifically, consider the following relatively old court case.

Warren v. District of Columbia

The District of Columbia Court of Appeals decided that, in my words, police protection is not a constitutional right. So the people of Oakland are self-policing themselves as the Founding States had arguably intended when they wrote the 2nd Amendment, not that citizens of Oakland ae necessarily pro-gun rights. Critiques welcome.

8 posted on 02/26/2013 9:49:45 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: Joe 6-pack

Epic Beard Man, he’s got my vote for everything from City Councilman to President to Pope.


9 posted on 02/26/2013 10:05:58 PM PST by Leaning Right
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To: 444Flyer

Oakland. Now, there’s a story, without enough words.


10 posted on 02/26/2013 10:34:17 PM PST by RedHeeler
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To: Amendment10

All this is happening in a city that has been ruled by communists (Dellums), marxists (Dellums, Lee?, etc), socialists and assorted psycho-radicals since the 1960’s.

Reaping what they voted for. Now some are wising up and recognizing the need for a viable 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms for self defense.

Oh how the worm has turned.

Singing “Could be startin’ something”.

When living in Oakland, remember, Double Tap!


11 posted on 02/26/2013 11:05:55 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: informavoracious
Maybe they saw how well it worked out for George Zimmerman.

Why, they learned a lesson from GZ's misadventure. They are not going to call the cops, neither before the confrontation nor after. It is an old maxim that involving the police can only make a bad situation worse.

If we imagine that GZ and TM were all alone in this world, with no police, GZ would have crawled from under the body of TM, dusted himself off, and proceeded to wherever he was going. Being a good neighbor, he would also arrange for the dead body to be removed. That's all. Total expense: $1 for the spent round, and a few more for a garbage truck run.

Of course, today we do not permit the strong to make their own laws and to enforce them - for better or for worse. But the role of police in GZ's case is hardly positive. They didn't save him from near death, and they are about to destroy his life. They are just finishing the job that TM started.

12 posted on 02/26/2013 11:09:50 PM PST by Greysard
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To: Joe 6-pack
They should just put Epic Beard Man in charge...

With Grandma as Chief of Police:

65-year-old Woman Thwarts Robbery on Jewellery Store in Garden Grove, California

--Must see you tube!

13 posted on 02/26/2013 11:10:15 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Joe 6-pack
In 1975 the Albuquerque police department went on strike. Well over half of the officers walked out.

There were dire warnings that the criminal elements would take over the city. Windows were boarded,children kept inside. People decamped for safer places.

Crime dropped.

By 40%.

Every neighborhood, every city block, had armed citizens patroling with hunting rifles and shotguns. Criminals decamped for safer places.

We get as much crime as we tolerate.

14 posted on 02/26/2013 11:28:03 PM PST by MARTIAL MONK (I'm waiting for the POP!)
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To: 444Flyer

I wonder if the police in Oakland are enforcing gun laws and making sure these neighborhoods are being policed by people legally allowed to own and handle weapons? Maybe the state legislators making the draconian gun laws should be forced to park for several hours in Oakland unarmed.


15 posted on 02/27/2013 1:37:53 AM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: 444Flyer

Is it possible the people gave the cops a bad time about being ‘racists’ everytime they shot a criminal or roughed someone up, that the cops said, “Forget you.”


16 posted on 02/27/2013 2:00:41 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: 444Flyer

So the center of liberalism is soft on crime? What a surprise! So liberals really don’t want to stop criminals from waltzing in and taking what is “rightfully” theirs from hard-working productive citizens. What a surprise!

So liberals want to take guns from honest, law-abiding non-violent citizens and deliberately leave them in the hands of criminals! What a surprise!


17 posted on 02/27/2013 3:24:31 AM PST by I want the USA back
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To: Right Wing Assault

“Is it possible the people gave the cops a bad time about being ‘racists’ everytime they shot a criminal or roughed someone up, that the cops said, “Forget you.” “

Those were the old days; now many of the cops themselves are black due to affirmative action/the criminalizing of whiteness. Here in NJ they laid off so many cops (especially the recent crops of unqualified tokens) that the remaining police forces are middle-aged; people will grow up quickly here as the urban raiding parties, having picked the welfare reservations clean, fan out along the frontier.


18 posted on 02/27/2013 3:59:34 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

They have enough tax money though to give to the wealthy owners of the Oakland Raiders.


19 posted on 02/27/2013 4:31:46 AM PST by Tea Party Terrorist (Those who work for a living are now outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: Greysard
Actually, the cops did the right thing at first with GZ. They determined it was a justifiable shoot and let him go. It was the politically correct and aspiring race-baiters that made the case what it is. The police chief could see the railroad job coming and even resigned over it.
20 posted on 02/27/2013 4:41:03 AM PST by 2111USMC (aim small, miss small)
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To: vetvetdoug
I wonder if the police in Oakland are enforcing gun laws and making sure these neighborhoods are being policed by people legally allowed to own and handle weapons?

Open carry of even an unloaded weapon in California is illegal unless it is on your own property.

Maybe the state legislators making the draconian gun laws should be forced to park for several hours in Oakland unarmed.

AND unprotected. Good thought.

21 posted on 02/27/2013 7:33:38 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be "protected" by government.)
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To: 444Flyer

An OPD of my acquaintance tells me that the neighborhoods where gang murders are rampant are known as a “self-cleaning oven”.


22 posted on 02/27/2013 8:23:58 AM PST by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: blam; Amendment10; MadMax, the Grinning Reaper; Jack Hydrazine; Joe 6-pack; informavoracious; ...
Oakland today. America tomorrow. If Obama decides in a ‘national emergency’ under Martial Law that all firearms need to be turned over for ‘public security and safety’. Remember Katrina... Just yesterday some town in Alabama announced they want gun confisgation during any crisis (however that is defined). The crime threat in Oakland could be a walk in the park compared to what would happen to unprepared people going without a few days of food or water in some urban areas of the U.S.. And overworked, overwhelmed and undermanned LEOs in such possible scenarios.

Meanwhile, in different State houses in America. The Leftists are plotting to disarm the population.

And locally...the example mentioned above.

2/27/13

“City Wants Power To “Disarm Individuals” During Crisis (Guntersville, Alabama)”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2991692/posts

23 posted on 02/27/2013 8:26:53 AM PST by 444Flyer (Obama killed the Twinkie, but not the Terrorists in Benghazi. What's wrong with this picture?)
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To: Carry_Okie
“Open carry of even an unloaded weapon in California is illegal unless it is on your own property.”

Plus, in CA, it is near impossible to acquire a CC permit.

24 posted on 02/27/2013 8:35:14 AM PST by 444Flyer (Obama killed the Twinkie, but not the Terrorists in Benghazi. What's wrong with this picture?)
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To: 444Flyer; All
The fact that liberals ignore the Constitution aside, let's examine the 2nd Amendment in conjunction with the 14th Amendment.

Noting that the Bill of Rights (BoR), including 2A, originally didn't apply to the states, consider that John Bingham, the main author of Sec. 1 of 14A, had officially included 2A when he read the first eight amendments as examples of constitutonal statutes containing privileges and immunities which 14A applied to the states. See 2A in the middle column of the page linked to below from the post-Civil War congressional record.

Congressional Globe, House of Representatives, 42nd Congress, 1st Session

And for those of you who haven't seen the following, the Supreme Court later clarified that the 2A was made not to give the right to bear arms, but to clarify that Congress cannot infringe on the natural right (my term) to use arms in self-defense against another citizen when necessary.

"The second and tenth counts are equally defective. The right there specified is that of "bearing arms for a lawful purpose." This is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence. The second amendment declares that it shall not be infringed, but this, as has been seen, means no more than that it shall not be infringed by Congress. This is one of the amendments that has no other effect than to restrict the powers of the national government, leaving the people to look for their protection against any violation by their fellow citizens of the rights it recognizes, to what is called, in The City of New York v. Miln, 11 Pet. 139, the "powers which relate to merely municipal legislation, or what was, perhaps, more properly called internal police," "not surrendered or restrained" by the Constitution of the United States." --United States v. Cruikshank, 1875.

So the states now arguably have as much constitutional red tape as Congress does with respect to regulating arms.

On the other hand, noting that Bingham had also clarified that 14A did not take away state's rights, although I think that guns need be regulated to an extent with respect to age requirements and other uncommon common sense considerations, I believe that such laws should be left up to the states, not the federal government. After all, it's too easy for anti-gun rights liberals to abuse federal legislative powers to trash our natural right to self-defense.

In fact, consider a major 14A obstacle federal lawmakers who want to take away our gun rights. When Congress makes gun laws, 14A arguably requires Congress to make only laws which prevent the states from enforcing state gun laws which abridge our natural right to self defense.

25 posted on 02/27/2013 11:34:22 AM PST by Amendment10
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To: 444Flyer
I don't see kinfolk in Guntersville disarming the public if a major disaster would occur. I think LE would do well to allow the veterans and locals to remain armed. I'd hate to see what would happen if LE began gun confiscation in the suburban and rural areas. It would start out ugly and get uglier as the word spread.
26 posted on 02/27/2013 12:45:02 PM PST by vetvetdoug
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