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Store owners say plastic bag ban causes more shoplifting
www.seattlepi.com ^ | Thursday, February 28, 2013 | Casey McNerthney

Posted on 02/28/2013 1:50:46 PM PST by Lonely Bull

When the Seattle City Council unanimously passed a ban on plastic bags and required businesses to charge a nickel for paper bags, city leaders believed it would be better all around.

"I think we've gotten to a place where it's really going to work for the environment, businesses and the community in general," Councilman Mike O'Brien said at the time.

But the bag ban is contributing to thousands of dollars in losses for at least one Seattle grocery store, and questions have been raised about the risk of food-borne illness from reusable bags that shoppers don't often wash.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: bag; bags; ban; grocery; owners; plastic; plasticbag; plasticbags; reusable; reusablebag; reusablebags; seattle; shoplift; shoplifting; store; theft
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1 posted on 02/28/2013 1:50:51 PM PST by Lonely Bull
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To: Lonely Bull

Austin, TX. ban on bags starts tomorrow. Same set of problems.


2 posted on 02/28/2013 1:55:13 PM PST by WCH
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To: Lonely Bull

If one wants to determine whether or not a scheme will fail miserably - one needs only to check whether a dim-bulb-crat proposed it.

IF: dim-bulb-crat
THEN: dim-bulb-idea.

Libs are not the sharpest knives in the drawer...they aren’t really knives...and most of them are not even in the drawer.


3 posted on 02/28/2013 1:57:17 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: Lonely Bull
questions have been raised about the risk of food-borne illness from reusable bags that shoppers don't often wash.

What could possibly go wrong?

I prefer paper.

I've seen some incredibly filthy "reusable" bags being used. I'm surprised the checkers don't insist on wearing rubber gloves.

4 posted on 02/28/2013 1:57:47 PM PST by upchuck (nobama fact #69: For each job created by the nobama administration, 75 people went on food stamps.)
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To: WCH

Not only that, but reusable bags have been linked to 25 per cent overall increases in infectious diseases. That’s an incredible health hazard!


5 posted on 02/28/2013 1:59:45 PM PST by Fractal Trader
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To: Lonely Bull

San Francisco has said that ten days after the ban, food born illness increased 47%.
What I want to know is, what is a single use bag?
The bags I get are used for all sorts of things before they go in recycling.


6 posted on 02/28/2013 2:00:54 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Lonely Bull

Interesting. At first I was wondering how a plastic bag ban could increase shoplifting. But I read the article.

You know what’s next, dontcha? They will begin to search your bags after you shop before you leave

Like at Sams Club - - they count the number of itmes you purchase and verify that against the number of items purchased on your bill. Trouble is.... Buying 100 plus items will take you an hour to leave the store.

Hoo Boy! Isn’t liberalism wonderful???


7 posted on 02/28/2013 2:02:27 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: svcw
What I want to know is, what is a single use bag?

Any paper of plastic bag that tears before you can get the groceries into the house.

8 posted on 02/28/2013 2:03:35 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: UCANSEE2

#$@^^%

‘paper OR plastic’


9 posted on 02/28/2013 2:04:43 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: Da Coyote

If you call a spoon a knife, how quickly can you cut your meat with your spoon?


10 posted on 02/28/2013 2:05:33 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Fractal Trader

We already use re-usable bags and have for years. Most meat of what we buy is frozen or not from the store so that’s not an issue for us. We also don’t live in Austin.

However, I could see lazy folks not cleaning their bags and suffering the consequences. Same ones who let those bags fly all over the county causing the local Commie government to enact silly laws.


11 posted on 02/28/2013 2:05:58 PM PST by WCH
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To: Lonely Bull

‘Course the effect on the beloved environment of washing reusable bags is outta sight, outta mind.


12 posted on 02/28/2013 2:07:46 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: All

Then there’s this:

http://www.myfoxaustin.com/story/21369412/retailers-sue-over-austin-bag-ban


13 posted on 02/28/2013 2:08:47 PM PST by WCH
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To: UCANSEE2

Ok that made me laugh.


14 posted on 02/28/2013 2:11:45 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: All
Idiots all.

Asking customers to check reusable bags at the counter would be burdensome to customers and staff, and prohibiting reusable bags and backpacks likely wouldn't work well in Seattle, which other business owners said is known for grand environmental ideas that can hinder small business efforts.

Bullspit. I frequent a little mexican grocery store that prohibits carrying bags and backpacks into the store (mainly by kids). Kids know this and leave their bags by the checkstand, retrieving them as they leave. No one is inconvenienced and the store manages the theft.

15 posted on 02/28/2013 2:13:50 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Lonely Bull
Be prepared! At this rate, soon we'll be hammering out musical instruments out of abandoned oil drums.


16 posted on 02/28/2013 2:15:04 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Da Coyote

Yet they never let a paltry problem such as total and utter failure be enough reason to end one of their hare-brained schemes.


17 posted on 02/28/2013 2:20:44 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (There is no requirement to show need in order to exercise your rights.)
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To: Da Coyote

I’d refer to libs as tools, but that implies they’re useful.


18 posted on 02/28/2013 2:23:19 PM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (I'll stop being a cynic when the world stops giving me reasons to be cynical.)
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To: Lonely Bull

Absolutely beautiful unintended consequences liberal quadrifecta of:

1: recycled bags are proven carriers of bacteria from unwashed vegetables and leaking meat packaging.

2: social justice (justified on the grounds that these are tough economic times and da people gotta eat and it’s the rich who are so cruel that they would starve poor people)

3: but it’s also the rich who move American jobs making reusable grocery bags offshore, depriving Americans of jobs with dignity (that they would not take since welfare pays better but that part we will ignore)

4: recycling (people of course never, ever reuse their grocery bags) which needs no further explanation since it’s “green”.

Perfect.


19 posted on 02/28/2013 2:24:01 PM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (This stuff we're going through now, this is nothing compared to the middle ages.)
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To: Revolting cat!

The effect on the reusable bags of washing them is plain to see. We have several that are falling apart.


20 posted on 02/28/2013 2:25:21 PM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (I'll stop being a cynic when the world stops giving me reasons to be cynical.)
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To: UCANSEE2

lol


21 posted on 02/28/2013 2:27:05 PM PST by Girlene
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To: Lonely Bull

It’s always those damn unintended consequences that the fascists point out, like the gulag, and the bacteria in reusable bags, but it’s the noble intentions that count and matter!


22 posted on 02/28/2013 2:30:54 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: upchuck

Love your tagline!


23 posted on 02/28/2013 2:30:54 PM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (This stuff we're going through now, this is nothing compared to the middle ages.)
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To: Lonely Bull
We already have it here in San Mateo Ca and the San Carlos city council just approved one yesterday. We now get to pay 10 cents for each paper bag and the cost will go up to 25 cents in 2015.
This is so stupid they first banned the paper bags and went to plastic but there was no cost to the shopper. Now they ban plastic and approve paper bags but now we have to pay for them and you can only use “approved” bring your own reuseable bags. I loathe any and all politicians screw them all!!!!
24 posted on 02/28/2013 2:38:46 PM PST by funfan
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To: funfan

Notice how the limbs never ban plastic bags used for newspapers.


25 posted on 02/28/2013 3:15:56 PM PST by aimhigh ( Guns do not kill people. Abortion kills people.)
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To: MrB
If you call a spoon a knife, how quickly can you cut your meat with your spoon?
Illogical. If you call a spoon a knife, there is no such thing as a spoon.
Only knives that cut well, and “knives” which don’t.

26 posted on 02/28/2013 3:28:40 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: WCH

Never reuse bags that have been used to transport meat. Meat juice nearly always gets contaminated with botulism, and heating the bags with hot water does not kill the germs.

Heating can kill the toxin (botulism poop!) that can kill you, but the germs are still there, waiting.


27 posted on 02/28/2013 3:30:44 PM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: UCANSEE2
"What I want to know is, what is a single use bag?"

Doggie poop bags.

28 posted on 02/28/2013 3:38:55 PM PST by Average Al
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To: funfan
We now get to pay 10 cents for each paper bag and the cost will go up to 25 cents in 2015.

This is a new cash cow for the politicians. Expect these fees to go up, and up, and up.

They now charge $.25 for paper bags in unincorporated Los Angeles County and in Long Beach. I refuse to shop in those areas.

29 posted on 02/28/2013 3:40:20 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: Lonely Bull
F@@kers!

Nothing better to do than mess with the proletariat.

30 posted on 02/28/2013 3:50:53 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Revolting cat!
‘Course the effect on the beloved environment of washing reusable bags is outta sight, outta mind.

Heh. Don'cha know you're supposed to wash them in soap made from hemp and tofu? It's OK then.

31 posted on 02/28/2013 3:54:15 PM PST by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment. -Ludwig von Mises)
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To: Lonely Bull

Man, I could have told you that. I won’t buy one of their overpriced (10 cents!) little bags. I leave the store with 5-6-7 things in my hands. No one looking at me can tell whether I paid for them or not. It’s a shoplifter’s dream.

These laws are MORONIC. And I am not sorry for the stores. They sat on their hands because they WANTED this law because THEY get to keep every 1000% markup on every bag they sell. I know it’s basically just ten cents, but multiply that by 200 customers an hour at your basic grocery store, 5 bags each, for 24 hours. Why that is $2400 pure gravy a day they are getting from customers.

So I hope the stores lose their shirts. In the meantime they are not selling me any bags.


32 posted on 02/28/2013 4:27:34 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Persevero
You're railing against the wrong villain.

I am sure that the retailers would prefer not to deal with this B.S.

Focus your anger on the perpetrators, not the victims.

33 posted on 02/28/2013 4:54:51 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Persevero

Impressive arithmetic. Lousy logic.


34 posted on 02/28/2013 4:57:29 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: MrB

I have one of those survival knife, spoon, fork, weapon combo thingies. No idea what it’s called though.


35 posted on 02/28/2013 6:00:40 PM PST by USAF80
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To: Responsibility2nd
You know what’s next, dontcha? They will begin to search your bags after you shop before you leave.

There's a chain of Asian supermarkets here, Pacific Super. They won't let you bring bags of stuff in; therefore you won't be leaving with any bags of stuff. Try arguing with Chinese clerks who don't know english. I got no where with them. (Shop there for my Chinese MIL, lots of stuff plus cheap prices .) This bag crap is ridiculous in the SF area.

36 posted on 02/28/2013 6:02:14 PM PST by roadcat
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To: UCANSEE2
Any paper of plastic bag that tears before you can get the groceries into the house.

One time I was leaving a sporting goods store (Big 5) and they had only used a single plastic bag. Imagine the looks on everyone's face nearby when the bag ripped open not 5 feet from the checkout counter and several boxes of shotgun shells fell to the floor, scattering the shells from the boxes. Calmly picked them up and demanded a double bag.

37 posted on 02/28/2013 6:08:17 PM PST by roadcat
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To: UCANSEE2

(That was really good!!)

38 posted on 02/28/2013 6:16:47 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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39 posted on 02/28/2013 6:20:32 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Thanks!


40 posted on 02/28/2013 6:56:11 PM PST by upchuck (nobama fact #69: For each job created by the nobama administration, 75 people went on food stamps.)
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To: Lonely Bull

From what I’ve heard, the merchants ain’t to happy about these bans, even though they now get to charge a nickel, and in my region even more than that per bag (and the government sets the minimum price, ain’t that grand?) We can all calculate the arithmetic, thank you very much, Captain Obvious, and maybe the stores do make a penny on a bag sold. But they don’t like it, and not only because the shoplifting angle, but because the packing of the customers’ filthy canvas bags significantly slows down the checkstand lines! Extra cashiers, extra costs, D’uh!


41 posted on 02/28/2013 7:05:08 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Revolting cat!

“Lousy logic.”

How so? Medium to large size stores are making a killing. The government is not profiting from this.


42 posted on 02/28/2013 10:25:15 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: elkfersupper

“I am sure that the retailers would prefer not to deal with this B.S.

Focus your anger on the perpetrators, not the victims. “

If the retailers preferred not to deal with it, they would have been lobbying against it, organizing against it, etc. They were silent.


43 posted on 02/28/2013 10:26:17 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Lonely Bull

The only advantage to banning plastic bags is that there will no longer be a need to ask “paper or plastic?”.


44 posted on 02/28/2013 10:27:40 PM PST by RobinOfKingston (Democrats--the party of Evil. Republicans--the party of Stupid.)
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To: roadcat

There was a columnist that quipped “In Seattle you can still buy an assault rifle, but it is illegal to bag it in a plastic bag.”

Not sure if that was an anti-gun statement, as later on he said “The NRA wants to have an armed guard at schools. Just one?”


45 posted on 02/28/2013 10:32:42 PM PST by 21twelve ("We've got the guns, and we got the numbers" adapted and revised from Jim M.)
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To: 21twelve
Not sure if that was an anti-gun statement,

Maybe not. I'd have a hard time passing up such a humorous statement.

46 posted on 02/28/2013 10:41:12 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: upchuck
I've seen some incredibly filthy "reusable" bags being used. I'm surprised the checkers don't insist on wearing rubber gloves.

My wife uses the reusables. She washes them every time despite the added "tax" of using them vs. store-supplied plastic or paper. She tells of some folks who have bags that had meat juice leak on them and they smell like rotten meat - seems like they should be sent packing as a health hazard....

47 posted on 03/01/2013 3:46:02 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Lonely Bull

Reusable bags slow the checkout process considerably.
The clerks hate them as well.
There should be a separate line(s) for those with reusable bags.


48 posted on 03/01/2013 4:04:44 AM PST by Palio di Siena
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To: Palio di Siena
Hang on everyone, I have the solution for keeping reusable bags clean.

Did you guess?? Plastic liners! Ok, I'll go to my room now.
49 posted on 03/01/2013 5:29:20 AM PST by freebird5850 (The only good thing about Barry getting re-elected is now we get to see him fall from a higher place)
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To: Persevero
If the retailers preferred not to deal with it, they would have been lobbying against it, organizing against it, etc. They were silent.

The retailers were busy selling stuff and keeping their shelves stocked.

Why would they either have or make time for this crap?

50 posted on 03/01/2013 5:40:14 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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