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Vermont Court to Sentence Pastor for Helping Virginia Ex-Lesbian, Child Flee Country
Christian Post ^ | March 4, 2013 | Anugrah Kumar

Posted on 03/04/2013 8:51:42 AM PST by HokieMom

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To: circlecity
This was not a "mother" nor was it "her child".

Bingo!

21 posted on 03/04/2013 10:13:34 AM PST by madprof98
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To: silverleaf

Maybe I am a ittle weird.

But here I am thinking that the same liberal people who would have applauded the Underground railroad that freed black slaves are the same ones who want to hang this man for getting this woman away from a Bull Dyke in a way similar to the uderground railroad.


22 posted on 03/04/2013 10:17:46 AM PST by Venturer
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To: HokieMom

There was a lot of testimony of abuse by the non-mother lesbian. Which was all disregarded by the court.


23 posted on 03/04/2013 10:27:36 AM PST by kaehurowing
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To: HokieMom

God Bless and Keep Pastor Ken Miller. Doing the right thing when everyone around you is going crazy is a profile in courage.


24 posted on 03/04/2013 10:30:32 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: PapaBear3625
I did read the article. You should also read it:

The two women lived in Virginia but went to Vermont to obtain a civil union in 2000. The couple split in Vermont, and Lisa Miller moved back to Virginia with her daughter after renouncing her homosexuality.

So Virginia residents moved to Vermont to get a gay marriage that is not even recognized in Virgina (and I think the DOMA said Virginia doesn't have to recognize it), and one of them moved back to Virginia with her biological child which Virginia doesn't recognize as the child of the "friend". Left unsaid is whether they changed domiciles, and if so, whether the mother changed domicile back to Virginia when she returned. It doesn't take any specific length of time to establish domicile, just a presence in the state and an intention to make it your residence.

Also unreported in this article is whether the legal action was started in vermont when both were living there. If so, she was indeed subject to Vermont's jurisdiction. That is why I was asking the question, to sort out how she became subject to Vermont, given the DOMA and other jurisdictional issues. As you can see from reading the article, a lower VA court said VT can suck it. I think that is probably the proper ruling, and that a leftist appeals court screwed it up. The point of DOMA is that states that are not progressive hellholes don't have to go along with those that are about gay marriage.

So, don't live your day being a jerk.

25 posted on 03/04/2013 10:31:41 AM PST by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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To: Liberty Valance
God Bless and Keep Pastor Ken Miller. Doing the right thing when everyone around you is going crazy is a profile in courage.

Amen.

26 posted on 03/04/2013 10:37:02 AM PST by HokieMom (Pacepa : Can the U.S. afford a president who can't recognize anti-Americanism?)
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To: SoFloFreeper

So that’s where all the cowboys have gone. Thank God there are still real men in this country.


27 posted on 03/04/2013 10:37:30 AM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Hoodat

Thanks for posting this. It fills in a lot of holes in the story. It is amazing, but not surprising, that the DOJ took it upon itself to prosecute this guy in Federal court, and that would explain how the Pastor was forced to come to Vermont. I think it would have been a tough fight for Vermont to force him to come to that state to face trial. The argument that he should not have been tried in Vermont when he had no ties to the state and didn’t do anything in the state seems also to have some merit. The feds must have argued that he was aware that he was violating a Vermont court ruling, and that gave sufficient nexus to drag him to that state. I don’t know the case law on that issue in criminal cases.


28 posted on 03/04/2013 10:57:38 AM PST by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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Obama administration makes new indictment in hunt for girl claimed by lesbian

Life Site News ^ | 9 December 2011 | Matthew Cullinan Hoffman

Posted on 12/10/2011 9:08:06 AM by IbJensen

(LifeSiteNews.com) - The Obama administration has indicted a second individual suspected of helping a nine-year-old girl escape a custody claim by an unrelated lesbian, who is seeking to take custody of her from her natural mother.

According to the Associated Press, 46-year old Kenneth L. Miller of Stuarts Draft, Virginia, appeared in federal court on Tuesday to face charges of “international parental kidnapping” for helping Lisa Miller (42) and her daughter Isabella (9) to travel to Canada and ultimately Nicaragua.

The Virginia resident reportedly contacted associates in Nicaragua and Canada to request their support for Lisa Miller as she fled the United States in 2009, and instructed individuals to purchase plane tickets for Lisa and Isabella.

A Mennonite pastor, Timothy “Timo” Miller, had previously been indicted for his alleged role in helping Lisa Miller and her daughter to leave the country.

The pair had fled the United States to protect Isabella from a court-ordered custody transfer to Janet Jenkins, an unrelated lesbian with whom Miller was joined several years in a Vermont “civil union.”

According to reports Pastor Timothy Miller has cut a deal with prosecutors to cooperate in the case. The AP reports that the affidavit against Kenneth Miller indicates that Timothy Miller was a source of information about the former’s alleged involvement.

None of the Millers in the case are related, reports the AP.

Although Jenkins is unrelated to Isabella and never adopted her, Vermont judge Richard Cohen granted Jenkins “parental” rights and ordered regular, unsupervised visits. The order was made despite sworn testimony from mental health professionals and her mother’s statements suggesting that Isabella was suffering serious emotional trauma from the visits.

Isabella Miller-Jenkins was born to Lisa Miller following artificial insemination while Miller was living with Jenkins in the civil union. Miller soon left the relationship, claiming psychological and physical abuse, returned to her childhood faith in Christ, and renounced lesbianism.

After Miller fought the court-ordered visits for several years, and failed to deliver her daughter to Jenkins for further visits, Judge Cohen ordered that Isabella be forced into the custody of Jenkins in 2009. However, Miller and her daughter had already disappeared.

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29 posted on 03/04/2013 11:02:28 AM PST by Abby4116
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it is too bad the judges can not be forced to acknowledge that every child has only ONE mother and ONE father. All this “any two consenting adults” is only for mating behavior NOT marriage, NOT family.

Judges are trying to use law to dictate science. This is not even center of the earth/univers type science. This is direct observable reality.

Chief Justice is going to be a problem because adoption is a legislative fiction used to replicate the natural order of biology.


30 posted on 03/04/2013 11:42:23 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Abby4116

Wow. Interesting that the lesbo never adopted the child. When married people have a child, the husband is presumed to be the father and has parental rights. When lesbos have a child, we can be pretty damn sure that the non-pregnant partner is not the father. Yet the Vermont court apparently treated her as though she was. Just another screwed up complication from destroying the institution of marriage.


31 posted on 03/04/2013 12:15:31 PM PST by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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To: HokieMom

Praying for the pastor.


32 posted on 03/05/2013 12:59:04 AM PST by JGilbert (Rev 2:10)
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