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To: Swordmaker

Is that why Apple is at 20% of the cellphone market, because it is superior, whereas inferior Android has about 70% of the market?


6 posted on 03/05/2013 1:25:51 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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Yes, and just as in the desktop computer market, Apple is more profitable (and still here), whereas one hardware vendor after another has dropped dead of margin compression in the cutthroat “open” PC hardware market.

Dell was just taken private, BTW. That’s a symbol of the problems of the PC market and commodity tech devices. Market share at the expense of profit margins isn’t a sustainable business model.

I expect to see the same thing that’s happened in PC hardware happen all over again in smartphones. It will take another couple years, but the first two to fall dead will likely be Nokia and RIMM. After that, I expect Google’s investment in Motorola to largely go forward and down, as they downshift into low-cost, mediocre devices:

http://www.sfgate.com/technology/businessinsider/article/Google-Exec-The-Phones-We-re-Making-At-Motorola-4320306.php

There’s a reason why IBM is still around after all these years: The people at IBM understand that you have to make a profit to stick around. Everyone else that has gone up against IBM has repeated the mistakes the public saw in the PC industry (which were also done in the minicomputer industry, and then the Unix workstation sector) and we’re now starting to see in the smartphone sector.

How many mainframes does IBM ship? Not many. What’s their share of the computing market? Tiny.

What’s their profit margin on mainframe sales? Freakin’ huge, that’s what.

Same deal for Apple. As long as they keep making products which people will buy, even at a supposed ‘premium’ to the commodity market, and they maintain an actual profit margin, they’ll be around.

BTW, I’ve seen the “Google buys Moto, promises to not compete with hardware partners” BS before. It ain’t gonna fly with the other smartphone hardware companies. Their natural response will be to start rolling their own s/w and eventually leave “official” Android behind and become their own s/w vendors as well. I’d wager the first hardware company to leave Google’s official Android s/w behind will be Samsung. We can already see the signs in the latest Samsung offerings. If Google wanted to keep the whip hand on the software, they had to do only *one* thing: not compete with their partners. That’s it.

That’s all they had to do... but they screwed that up. T

The whole smartphone industry is like the computer industry of the last 40 years... on steroids for size and meth for speed. But even for all that, it’s looking just like what I’ve seen (and lived) in the computer industry ‘n’ times before.


9 posted on 03/05/2013 2:04:58 AM PST by NVDave
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To: Jonty30
Is that why Apple is at 20% of the cellphone market, because it is superior, whereas inferior Android has about 70% of the market?

Giving away an OS that has portions of it that were lifted from the hard work of other people, numerous buy one, get one, two, and occasionally, even three free offers, and paying sales people to push your products—Samsung spent $9 BILLION in advertising their smartphones including sales spiffs in 2012—goes a long way to buying market share. However, Apple owns 80% of the worldwide PROFIT SHARE of all phone profits, not just smart phones! In fact Apple and Samsung split 103% of the profits! That percentage is correct.

10 posted on 03/05/2013 2:14:35 AM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: Jonty30
Is that why Apple is at 20% of the cellphone market, because it is superior, whereas inferior Android has about 70% of the market?

In all fairness, they give Droids away -- that's a real market-builder. You have to pay a couple hundred bucks to get an iPhone.

I paid $400 for mine so I wouldn't have to get a contract. For me, it's a vastly superior product and it's the only piece of Apple equipment I've ever owned.

I've had mine for six months and I'm still impressed by it.

16 posted on 03/05/2013 4:47:20 AM PST by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment. -Ludwig von Mises)
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