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House Republicans launch ‘2nd Amendment Initiative’ v. Obama gun agenda
Seattle Gun Rights Examiner ^ | 6 March, 2013 | Dave Workman

Posted on 03/08/2013 11:16:45 AM PST by marktwain

The House Republican Study Committee (RSC) has launched a Second Amendment Initiative for the 113th Congress under the leadership of Indiana Rep. Marlin Stutzman (R-Third District) to counter what they believe is President Barack Obama’s “out-of-touch agenda” on gun control.

In a press release, RSC Chairman Rep. Steve Scalise (R-Indiana) asserted that the president’s “radical anti-gun agenda is a threat to our constitutional right to keep and bear arms.”

“Efforts to take away the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding Americans will not reduce crime or prevent criminals from breaking the law,” Scalise said. “We will not allow President Obama and liberals in Congress to take away our right to bear arms.”

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But House Republicans may stand in the way with this newly-created Second Amendment Initiative.

“As the President continues his aggressive gun control campaign,” Rep. Stutzman said in a statement, “Republicans need to stand and defend our right to bear arms now more than ever…The RSC’s Second Amendment Initiative will help equip conservatives in Congress to defeat the President’s crusade for ineffective and unconstitutional gun controls.”

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; constitution; guncontrol; house; secondamendment
The House could gain a lot of good will by not only stopping the Democrat run to disarm the public, but by putting forward commonsense reforms, such as repealing the unconstitutional Gun Free School Zone act, pushing for universal reciprocity for Concealed Carry under the "Full Faith and Credit" clause of the Constitution and the Second Amendment, and repealing the public health disaster of the byzantine restrictions and taxes on gun mufflers.
1 posted on 03/08/2013 11:16:45 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain; Gilbo_3; NFHale
OK, so far Obama's big gun ban initiates has been a fail-fail-fail but he is graded on a curve due to affimative action policies.....so he still passes

How about passing a bill paying for signs saying ‘caution the surgeon general has determined that guns can be deadly to your health’ ??

What if I have no gun and so I call the police for help and they are furloughed?

2 posted on 03/08/2013 11:26:31 AM PST by sickoflibs (O's sequester Apocalypse tour just proved why we need the 2nd amendment more than ever NOW!)
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To: sickoflibs
What if I have no gun and so I call the police for help and they are furloughed?

They would probably come anyway if they thought there was a chance to kill you or your dog.

3 posted on 03/08/2013 11:29:27 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: marktwain

The Bill of Rights belong to the American people. It is not up to the government or their courts to tell us what each one of them means. It’s up to US to remind THE GOVERNMENT what they mean.


4 posted on 03/08/2013 11:29:45 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Progressive, Marxist liberals do not evolve, they morph into fascists.)
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To: sickoflibs

Get a drone!


5 posted on 03/08/2013 11:45:49 AM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: marktwain
So, it has come to this has it? We need a "2nd Amendment Initiative"?

Ben Franklin was right when he answered that question about the new constitution when he said, "A republic madam, if we can keep it." It looks like we have lost it. A slow process, beginning with Woodrow Wilson and the "Progressive" movement but it has finally arrived. Lost, lost, lost. It will take a 2nd American Revolution to reestablish it I fear, no, I know! Keep your ammo and your guns ready patriots!

6 posted on 03/08/2013 11:47:09 AM PST by mc5cents
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To: sickoflibs; marktwain; Gilbo_3

“...What if I have no gun and so I call the police for help and they are furloughed?...”

Always have a gun and you won’t have that problem.

YOU are the First Responder in any encounter with a criminal. Police are under ZERO obligation to save your life - their purpose is to solve the crime after it happens, enforce whatever laws happen to generate revenue for the state and male you behave, and draw the chalk line around your body after the fact.

That’s about it.

The only person responsible for your life is you.


7 posted on 03/08/2013 11:47:34 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: marktwain

I’d like to see an aggressive approach, such as a prohibition on law enforcement and protection officers, local, federal, and state, be prohibited from owning, carrying, or using any firearm, appurtenance, or ammunition that is prohibited for use by the law abiding general public, within the confines of the geographic United States.


8 posted on 03/08/2013 11:51:00 AM PST by Real Cynic No More
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To: Real Cynic No More

No offense, but that’s a nice dream. It’ll never happen.


9 posted on 03/08/2013 11:52:35 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale

There’s no reason to have a gun, because you can call the police -

just as there’s no reason to have a fire extinguisher because you can call the fire department.


10 posted on 03/08/2013 11:54:32 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: mc5cents

“...Lost, lost, lost....”

My friend, as long as you have the ability and the will to shoot back, NOTHING is “Lost, lost, lost.”


11 posted on 03/08/2013 11:54:42 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: MrB; sickoflibs

What absolutely boggles my mind is that there are actually people out there amongst us who believe that...


12 posted on 03/08/2013 11:59:07 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale

It’s no more a dream from our side than Feinstein’s position is from hers. When one side pushes, you have to push back harder to make it stop. This idea of a measured response only causes us to lose ground, one pebble at a time. Let them know we’re serious. If they sto pushng, ghen ee can back down, but don’t react, be proactive.


13 posted on 03/08/2013 12:01:43 PM PST by Real Cynic No More
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To: NFHale; MrB; Gilbo_3
RE :”What absolutely boggles my mind is that there are actually people out there amongst us who believe that...”

I trust the police to ‘get there in time’ .....to write the report on my wounds.

Maybe local police should not be allowed to have guns either, instead they can call Homeland Security for help if the situation gets out of control and their zapper isnt enough. I am sure Homeland will respond promptly

14 posted on 03/08/2013 12:04:22 PM PST by sickoflibs (O's sequester Apocalypse tour just proved why we need the 2nd amendment more than ever NOW!)
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To: Real Cynic No More

“...When one side pushes, you have to push back harder to make it stop. This idea of a measured response only causes us to lose ground, one pebble at a time...”

Preaching to the choir, my friend.

But the cops will never give up their perceived monopoly on ownership of force.


15 posted on 03/08/2013 12:05:26 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: sickoflibs; MrB; Gilbo_3

“...I am sure Homeland will respond promptly ...”

...with a Hellfire strike from a drone...? :^)


16 posted on 03/08/2013 12:06:36 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale

They could show up with one of their fancy new RVs with a million rounds of hollowpoint ammo.


17 posted on 03/08/2013 12:08:12 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

No doubt they’re salivating at the thought of getting to play with their new toys.

Lotsa that going around these days...


18 posted on 03/08/2013 12:10:14 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale

I’ve actually won many a battle in the boardroom by taking this aproach, by anticipating my enemy’s moves, waiting for them to make their initial attack against my plan, and then coming fom them with such a strong, aggresive counterpunch that they’re completely shocked and unprepared. Everything dies down and status quo results, because they fear that I really will follow through with my threatened actions - because they know that I will, I did it in the past.


19 posted on 03/08/2013 12:10:36 PM PST by Real Cynic No More
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To: NFHale

Yes, you are right, and that is how we win. Enough of them will support our side, knowing that they can never reach us in time to protect us, and support our need to have the right types of arms to defend us until they arrive.


20 posted on 03/08/2013 12:14:45 PM PST by Real Cynic No More
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To: Real Cynic No More

“...because they fear that I really will follow through with my threatened actions - because they know that I will, I did it in the past....”

Understood, brother. But that’s you. You’ve got a spine.

This is Republicans we’re talking about here.

Maybe I’d see it happening if we had a whole House and Senate full of Rand Pauls, Allen Wests, Ted Cruzs’ etc...

But we’ve currently got McCains, Grahams, and other worthless douchebuckets ready to sell us out.

I get your point, though.


21 posted on 03/08/2013 12:16:08 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale; MrB; Gilbo_3

Its not that the police will protect you, its that we have the finest and fairest criminal justice system in the world, and best laws.

If you surrender your guns and a crime is committed against you the courts will make it right,
remember the ‘Wise Latino’ is there.


22 posted on 03/08/2013 12:16:17 PM PST by sickoflibs (O's sequester Apocalypse tour just proved why we need the 2nd amendment more than ever NOW!)
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To: NFHale

Yes I know. I tend to get maudlin at times whenever I see a picture of Obama with the title “President”. Believe me I am willing to fight if it comes to that and as I said, it looks more and more that it will.


23 posted on 03/08/2013 12:16:35 PM PST by mc5cents
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To: mc5cents

“...I tend to get maudlin at times ...”

Don’t let it get to you. Get pissed. Stay pissed. Get loud, and wake other folks up.

Your influence extends far beyond what you might think.


24 posted on 03/08/2013 12:18:23 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: sickoflibs; MrB; Gilbo_3

“...remember the ‘Wise Latino’ is there....”

yes, and my trust and faith in her is absolute, total, and complete... Like Hitler made Germany right...


25 posted on 03/08/2013 12:19:27 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale; Real Cynic No More
Your influence extends far beyond what you might think.

LOL, is that why you wrote "No offense, but that’s a nice dream. It’ll never happen." when Real Cynic No More wrote: "I’d like to see an aggressive approach, such as a prohibition on law enforcement and protection officers, local, federal, and state, be prohibited from owning, carrying, or using any firearm, appurtenance, or ammunition that is prohibited for use by the law abiding general public, within the confines of the geographic United States.'?

Let me tell you something very plain - unless the police are allowed nothing other than the weapons that non-police are allowed to protect their lives, we will eventually lose, completely lose, 2nd Amendment rights.

Because without that equality, there is no moral or legal argument upholding the 2nd Amendment.

Cops use weapons to preserve their lives. If equal weaponry is not allowed against the same criminal threat (arguably worse against non-cops who don't have radio backup of massive firepower and are typically isolated when under attack), then what is being mandated by the law is that a police officer's life is worth more than the life of a citizen.

Understand? THE GUN ISSUE IS NOT ABOUT GUNS. The Left knows this! That's why they keep whacking away, again and again, try after try, because they know that the root of this gun-grab issue has not been stopped.

The issue is that the life of a police officer CANNOT be more valuable than the life of a citizen unde the law. That inequality is the root of totalitarianism. That single thing - alone - brings all the hell of the Soviet Union, Communist China, Nazi Germany, etc. THAT INEQUALITY IS THE FOCUS OF THE LEFT. They want it inscribed in stone, because they know that as long as it's not, they can be defeated.

So far, they feel pretty confident, though. Because almost no one is fighting them on the root issue - that's why they wave the scary guns around, so no one talks about the fact that it's not about the guns - it's about the EQUAL VALUE OF HUMAN LIFE - COP & NON-COP.

26 posted on 03/08/2013 12:59:58 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker

Preaching to the choir, Tal.

I have understood that issue for many years now, having studied the way the Gestapo assimilated and used ordinary German police, making them part of the Kripo arm of the state police, I know it full well.

And Mueller, the man who originally set up the Gestapo, had an absolute BONER for the Soviet NKVD, whom he modeled the German staatspolizei after. He actually disappeared into the Soviet Union - not as a prisoner, either - as the war was ending.

If youre in the mood to read something that will make your hair stand up, read “Gestapo: Instrument of Tyranny” by Edward Cruikshank (written around 1956).


27 posted on 03/08/2013 1:09:29 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale
"YOU are the First Responder"

That's a "keeper"! I'd like to see that on a photo comment.

28 posted on 03/08/2013 1:55:33 PM PST by LZ_Bayonet ( I AM THE TEA PARTY LEADER !)
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To: LZ_Bayonet
"YOU are the First Responder"

Maybe we should start referring to police and fire as "2nd Responders".

29 posted on 03/08/2013 1:56:55 PM PST by LZ_Bayonet ( I AM THE TEA PARTY LEADER !)
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To: LZ_Bayonet

“...I’d like to see that on a photo comment...”

Then Make it so, Number One!!! haha!


30 posted on 03/08/2013 1:57:46 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale

Here’s a video about “2nd Responders”
http://www.gunssavelife.com/?p=6379


31 posted on 03/08/2013 2:06:21 PM PST by LZ_Bayonet ( I AM THE TEA PARTY LEADER !)
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To: LZ_Bayonet

And the cops just stare at the guy asking the question, shake their heads “yeah”....”umhum”...”Yup”...”Pretty much”

You’re on your own. They all agree.

And that is why no matter what they try to pass, what they actually DO pass, whatever, I will always have a firearm.

Pretty much period...


32 posted on 03/08/2013 2:21:34 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
The Bill of Rights belong to the American people. It is not up to the government or their courts to tell us what each one of them means. It’s up to US to remind THE GOVERNMENT what they mean.

That should be carved in stone over the entrance to the Capitol Building in Washington DC.

33 posted on 03/08/2013 2:42:19 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Talisker

So, what’s wrong with pushing it forward, laying down the gauntlet, baring our teeth, so to speak, letting the left know that we’re prepared to go to the mat on this issue? We’re the big mean dogs at the food dish, and they’re trying to sneak in and grab our meat. When we bite back, they need to feel it.


34 posted on 03/08/2013 2:48:53 PM PST by Real Cynic No More
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To: Real Cynic No More
I’ve actually won many a battle in the boardroom by taking this aproach, by anticipating my enemy’s moves, waiting for them to make their initial attack against my plan, and then coming fom them with such a strong, aggresive counterpunch that they’re completely shocked and unprepared.

That's what I've been thumping the tub about from Day One in my previous posts.

We counter-propose:
1) CCW holders have firearms shipped directly to them since they have passed state and federal background checks.
2) CCW holders can buy a handgun in another state for the above reasons.
3) Repeal the 1968 GCA (drop a nuclear bomb)
4) National Constitutional Carry (bomb #2)
5) Background check only for criminal/mental clearance. No 4473 (bomb #3)
6) Your favorite here

Slam them with so many counter-proposals they'll consider shutting up - the sleeping dogs theory aka "Jesus don't propose any more anti-gun laws. Look what happened the last time!"

35 posted on 03/08/2013 3:25:38 PM PST by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Oatka

Ok, I think that’s three of us. Add my requirement as number 6 and let’s see how many we can get to jump on the bandwagon. We have to get aggressive.

No ball game has ever been won; no business has ever succeeded above the competition; no election has been won; no war has ever been won; no great cause has ever succeeded: by playing only defense, merely reacting to the aggressors, and that’s all that’s been done so far, arguing against their proposed law changes. We have to take the battle to them, propose changes of our own to protect our rights.

All is lost if we don’t go on the offensive. Our proposed laws must be as extreme - or more so - than theirs.

I swear. 6 month ago, I was happy with the status quo, happy to own a .22 rifle and a couple of handguns. But Feinstein started this madness, I’m afraid that she’s turned me into a freakin’ gun nut, because I fear that if I want to get some other kind of gun down the road, I won’t be allowed to do so. Sheesh!


36 posted on 03/08/2013 4:17:28 PM PST by Real Cynic No More
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To: FlingWingFlyer

“The Bill of Rights belong to the American people. It is not up to the government or their courts to tell us what each one of them means. It’s up to US to remind THE GOVERNMENT what they mean.”

Well stated. Buckwheat and his ill-trained gestapo DHS are skating on thin ice.


37 posted on 03/08/2013 5:05:38 PM PST by sergeantdave
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