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Witness in Trayvon Martin Case Lied. Will It Even Go To Trial?
Pajamas Media ^ | 03/11/2013 | Bob Owens

Posted on 03/11/2013 10:05:04 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

The key prosecution witness in the second-degree murder trial of George Zimmerman has allegedly been caught in a significant lie:

Trayvon Martin’s girlfriend, the state’s most important witness in the George Zimmerman murder case, was caught in a lie, it was revealed Tuesday.

It was not the first piece of misinformation tied to her, but it was the most damaging to date and left prosecutors in a very awkward position.

They had to publicly acknowledge that their star witness had lied under oath and had to answer questions about what they intend to do about it.

Reporters asked: Will you charge the 19-year-old Miami woman with perjury?

The state’s lead prosecutor, Bernie de la Rionda, gave an ambiguous answer: “You can all read the law and make your own decision.”

The 19-year-old woman — who had originally claimed to be just sixteen at the time of the shooting, when she was in fact two years older — was caught in a second lie. She had told prosecutors that she was in the hospital during Trayvon Martin’s funeral, a claim that investigators for the defense now claim is false.

The unidentified woman, also identified in court documents as “Witness 8,” was the state’s best “earwitness,” having been on the phone with Trayvon Martin during the incident up until the point she claimed Martin initiated a confrontation with George Zimmerman. Shortly afterward, the phone went dead.

The physical evidence recovered in the case largely supports — and at least as importantly, does not conflict with — George Zimmerman’s claim that Martin attacked him, knocked him down with a punch, and then beat his head against a concrete sidewalk. Zimmerman claims that he feared for his life at this point, drew his 9mm pistol, and fired the single shot that struck Trayvon Martin in the chest, killing him.

None of the witnesses at the condominium complex saw the beginning of the confrontation, and those that did see part of the confrontation tell seemingly contradictory stories — some insisting Martin was on top, some claiming it was likely Zimmerman.

Witness 8′s alleged perjury puts the state in the odd position of having to possibly charge their best witness in the case with the crime of lying under oath, significantly damaging her credibility.

This puts the state’s case against Zimmerman in a particularly precarious position. Legal experts including high-profile Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz have claimed from the beginning that there was no evidence to support a second-degree murder charge in the case, and have even gone so far as to claim that the prosecution of Zimmerman was entirely political.

Social-justice activists such as Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson were among those stirring the pot after the district attorney refused to bring charges against George Zimmerman. They raised both the profile of the case and inflamed African-American communities across Florida and across the nation, eventually creating the public furor that led Florida Governor Rick Scott to appoint a special prosecutor to take over the investigation.

Neither Jackson nor Sharpton has responded to a PJ Media request for comment on the developments surrounding Witness 8′s alleged perjury and the viability of the overall case against George Zimmerman.

Jose Baez, the lead defense attorney in the high-profile Casey Anthony case, has lambasted the prosecution for the weakness of the case:

“I have never seen a high-profile case that is so weak as the Zimmerman case,” Baez told Lauren Rowe on WKMG-Channel 6′s “Flashpoint.” The program aired Sunday morning.

Baez said he based his view on the evidence and not on his representing Chris Serino, the lead Sanford police investigator in the case. “I just think looking at the overall case, it’s extremely weak,” Baez said. “I had that opinion from very early on in the case.”

Baez cited several reasons for his take on the Zimmerman evidence: The only eyewitness says that Martin was on top during the fight, and Zimmerman told law enforcement he was screaming for help during the fight, a point backed up by a 911 tape.

It remains to be seen if the state will continue the case against Zimmerman now that their best witness has severely damaged her credibility, and what the ramifications will be publicly and politically if the case is no longer tenable.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: georgezimmerman; trayvonmartin; zimmerman

1 posted on 03/11/2013 10:05:04 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Well, if they wait another two months, it will be hot enough to have a few dozen riots across the country so Phaeroh The IWON can call out his brown shirts.


2 posted on 03/11/2013 10:12:30 AM PDT by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: SeekAndFind

Riot gear at the ready? They’ll need it if charges are dismissed!


3 posted on 03/11/2013 10:15:43 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: SeekAndFind

It has to go to trial. They’ve already found him guilty. They need to make it official.


4 posted on 03/11/2013 10:18:21 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hearsay from an admitted liar ?
And with blank phone data on the cell phone on the day in question, that makes her testimony even more questionable.
If she submitted an written affidavate or sworn testimony, then she should be charged with perjury.
And if the only testimony was through attny. Crump , he should be charged with aiding and abetting criminal perjury, and being an accessory .


5 posted on 03/11/2013 10:19:05 AM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.” - Ronald Reagan)
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To: SeekAndFind

The state of Florida and it’s Republican darling AG Pamela Jo “Pam” Bondi are faced with a dilemma. Either they railroad Zimmerman to jail in a gross miscarriage of justice or they will have mayhem on the ghetto streets. A real “Catch 22”.

I am betting on the former.


6 posted on 03/11/2013 10:19:34 AM PDT by Tupelo (Old, Bald, Ugly, Fat and Broke in Arizona)
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To: Tupelo

go with the riot. Shoot the rioters. Not with rubber bullets.

There will be a sudden dearth of riots in the country, or at the very least they will be confined to blue states.


7 posted on 03/11/2013 10:26:00 AM PDT by chesley (Vast deserts of political ignorance makes liberalism possible - James Lewis)
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To: chesley

“Shoot the rioters. Not with rubber bullets.”

Serously now, would not that be considered racist?


8 posted on 03/11/2013 10:32:11 AM PDT by Tupelo (Old, Bald, Ugly, Fat and Broke in Arizona)
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To: chesley

Well the govt sure is stocked up on bullets, but I don’t think for those who would “look like my (Obama’s) son”.

Just think how filthy it was of Obama to say that and how racist, and to help railroad Zimmerman.


9 posted on 03/11/2013 10:33:14 AM PDT by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way)
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To: SeekAndFind

From verything that I have seen, the prosecution doesn’t have a weak case gainst Zimmerman, they have no case! Every single piece of evidence they have released from discovery supports Zimmerman’s story, not Trayvon’s.

This is a racist casr only because Sharpton, Jackson and the Martins claimed that Zimmerman is a racist and only killed Trayvon because he was black.

Eventually, the Martin’s will have to accept the fact that Trayvon was a thug wannabee and got what he was asking for. Doubtless, either the prosecution dropping the case or a jury acquitting Zimmerman will give black Americans another opportunity to riot, loot and destroy the property of others.

IMO, in the long run, should any of that happen, zero will step in, sign an EO that confines Zimmerman to the toughest federal prison we have for “killing” Obama’s “son”. A chance to win 100% of the black vote for his 3rd (unConstitutional) POTUS bid is worth violating the rights of one individual. After all, the rule of law is dead, the Constitution has been shredded and zero has appointed himself as the Supreme law of the land.


10 posted on 03/11/2013 10:34:26 AM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for anti-American criminals!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

If republicans really wanted Hispanic votes, here it is. But noooo that would be like them. So instead allow the left to play the race card any way it wants.


11 posted on 03/11/2013 10:34:39 AM PDT by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way)
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To: Tupelo
A very simple message to potential rioters before the charges are dropped: “Standby for an important announcement in the Zimmerman case, In the event that some parties decide they don't like the decision and want to take to the streets to vent their displeasure, police departments are being put on full riot footing. National Guards units are on 48-hour alert. Use of force, including deadly force, has been authorized.”
12 posted on 03/11/2013 10:37:32 AM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: Tupelo
Either they railroad Zimmerman to jail in a gross miscarriage of justice or they will have mayhem on the ghetto streets.

“Gibs-Me-Dat” (n.) Annuities, in the form of goods, services, or material (usually welfare checks) given predominately to blacks, in exchange for their tacit agreement to reciprocate by not burning down America’s cities.

Example:

“Yo Trayvon, who you be votin' foe in 2012?”
“I gots to go wit Obama, baby. The democrats be givin out moe betta gibsmedat.”

Synonymous with: tribute, baksheesh, Danegeld

13 posted on 03/11/2013 10:39:21 AM PDT by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: SeekAndFind
Neither Jackson nor Sharpton has responded to a PJ Media request for comment on the developments surrounding Witness 8′s alleged perjury and the viability of the overall case against George Zimmerman.

Tawana Brawley...

14 posted on 03/11/2013 10:43:52 AM PDT by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: SeekAndFind

“i hear that train a-comin’...”
poor Zim’s toast. if they were serious about justice, this thing never would have reached this stage. they’re all about placating the mob, now. not an atticus finch amongst them.


15 posted on 03/11/2013 10:47:11 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: SeekAndFind; All

All Governor Rick Scott and AG Pam Bondi have to do is take Angela Corey and her staff off the case....and have this dropped. I will work to primary both out...heck I am so POd over this lynch job in my county that I would vote for Charlie Crist over ObamaCare Scott

This is nothing more than Black Ku Klux Klan Racism....and not calling it such just encourages the Black KKK

This Witness #8 was not on the phone with Martin. Period


16 posted on 03/11/2013 10:50:41 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (GOP = Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: SeekAndFind

They’ll probably declare the lies told are not material to the case, use Witless 8 and go to trial.

I’m cynical. The prosecution doesn’t really need a “win,” they just need to prevent Zimmerman from getting Civil immunity. Then, Crump and company can take over and sue Zimmerman into poverty. That’s the real goal here.


17 posted on 03/11/2013 10:52:20 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: SeekAndFind

The guess here it will go to trial and before several black jurors who could convict him. Unlikely that a FL. judge will dismiss the charges. If he gets convicted it’s likely to get dumped on appeal.


18 posted on 03/11/2013 10:55:49 AM PDT by kenmcg (scapegoat)
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To: Tupelo
Serously now, would not that be considered racist

So what? The term has lost all meaning, and certainly all sting.. Charlie Rangel, Al Sharpton, Bambi, Jese Jackson, etc. These are the true racists of our time, and the KKK never did it better.

19 posted on 03/11/2013 10:57:27 AM PDT by chesley (Vast deserts of political ignorance makes liberalism possible - James Lewis)
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To: SeekAndFind

Angela Cory should be dis- barred, like Nifong was.


20 posted on 03/11/2013 11:02:05 AM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: SeekAndFind

The original purpose of the prosecution was to gin up more White Guilt so as to get the One reelected. It did. They should drop the case.

Or how about an innocent verdict in July or August? When the riots are over, demolish Detroit, Watts, Camden, Newark, New Orleans, Birmingham.


21 posted on 03/11/2013 11:52:59 AM PDT by I want the USA back
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To: AppyPappy
It has to go to trial. They’ve already found him guilty. They need to make it official.

That's been my guess all along. The state is in the position of a fool who's talked himself into a corner, and now chooses to make wilder and wilder assertions rather than back up, admit the facts, and apologize for having been mistaken.

Playing the race card is every bit as stupid today as when George Wallace stood in the school house door and proclaimed, "Segregation today! Segregation tomorrow! Segregation forever!"

22 posted on 03/11/2013 12:20:20 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: SeekAndFind

I think we can hear the train coming for this railroad job. I expect sort of a reverse OJ verdict with the prosecutor saying, “Once the dog’s been sicced, you must convict!”

We can only hope Zimmerman seeks and wins an appeal.


23 posted on 03/11/2013 12:37:27 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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Trayvon Martin’s death was a GOOD SHOOT.

Get over it....


24 posted on 03/11/2013 1:58:33 PM PDT by S.O.S121.500 (ENFORCE THE BILL OF RIGHTS "Freedom begins when you tell Mrs. Grundy to take a hike."-Heinlein)
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To: SeekAndFind
The 19-year-old woman — who had originally claimed to be just sixteen at the time of the shooting, when she was in fact two years older

This guy isn't quite up to speed yet. The age discrepancy is a fiction by lawyer Crump so she could be shielded from the public while he used the so-called testimony to have Zimmerman arrested.

Eventually, this "DeeDee" will be proven in court to never have existed in the first place, and Crump himself will be up on many charges, including perjury and obstruction of justice.

25 posted on 03/11/2013 4:20:54 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: S.O.S121.500
Trayvon Martin's death was the horrible outcome of a bad situation. I don't call it a “good shoot”, yet.

Nobody who cares, believes justice will ultimately prevail.

Given the actions of the media, police, political activists, witnesses, lawyers and our government, none of whom appear to be all that focused on truth and justice.

If Zimmerman is judged not guilty, many others should immediately be charged with crimes.

If Zimmerman is judged guilty, many others should immediately be charged with crimes.

Everybody who cares, is correct.

26 posted on 03/11/2013 7:42:08 PM PDT by sarasmom (The obvious takes longer to discover for the obtuse.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Witness 8′s alleged perjury puts the state in the odd position of having to possibly charge their best witness in the case with the crime of lying under oath, significantly damaging her credibility.

Credibility will not a problem with low-information jurors.

27 posted on 03/11/2013 9:02:08 PM PDT by TChad (Call them Oppressives, not Progressives.)
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To: SeekAndFind

tara says:

March 13, 2013 at 11:20 am

If you all don’t mind, I want to continue a conversation about a post by recoverydotgod in yesterday’s Zimmerman thread. It regards a comparison of two different ABC recordings of DeeDee, the first is a portion of the ABC recording of the Crump interview, and the second is a Matt Gutman report from Mar 29. recoverydotgod asks us to determine whether or not it’s the same DeeDee.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/hear-phone-conversation-18622033 @3:12-3:20

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/zimmerman-police-station-surveillance-night-trayvon-martin-killed-16027322 @2:08-2:13

Same DeeDee?

Also notice in Matt’s Mar 29 report that he explicitly states that Trademark’s “girlfriend” is 16 years old. He attributes much other info to Crump, but when it comes to her age he reports it as fact. So how did he know that she was 16?.

We know Matt talked to DeeDee several times, presumably after the Crump interview. Where are those recordings? What did Matt ask DeeDee before the brief clip at the second link? The clip starts out with DeeDee emphatically stating “Trayvon did not say that at all”. What didn’t Trayvon say? This is infuriating and intriguing at the same time.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2013/03/13/03-13-george-zimmerman-case-open-discussion-thread/


28 posted on 03/13/2013 8:32:36 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: SeekAndFind

How many chillens do they have together? Is he the sperm donor?


29 posted on 03/29/2013 1:25:39 PM PDT by STD ( Intellectuals, they are a wrecking crew, dismantling civilization)
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To: Tupelo

These day’s I’m pretty much fine with racism, as long as its allowed to go both ways...


30 posted on 03/29/2013 1:37:16 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: TChad

That is the job of Zimmerman’s attorney to block enough black jurors that Zimmerman can at least get a mistrial. It is why he earns the big bucks.


31 posted on 03/29/2013 1:38:48 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: DustyMoment
Declare today that Mob Rule has been glorified and accepted by the cowardly ruling elites from both parties and 'We the People' no longer have representation.

Create a entirely new party; call it what you might. The Patriot Party is born out of necessity. Don't scoff at me, the Republican Union Party was born in 1860 because of the threat of civil war.

That train has travelled full circle, we have arrived at that sad, unhappy station where for the good of the Republic, we must fight again. Surprisingly, we'll be going to battle for the exact same reason we fought the bloodiest war in our history; to free black America from racism and slavery to entitlement.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

32 posted on 03/29/2013 1:40:44 PM PDT by STD ( Intellectuals, they are a wrecking crew, dismantling civilization)
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To: camle
poor Zim’s toast. if they were serious about justice, this thing never would have reached this stage

Obama weighed in on this case early on, and doesn't have the balls to admit that he spoke before he had the facts. There's a lot riding on this... a lot of very powerful people want to make sure Obama doesn't get embarrassed by this thing going the "wrong way".

33 posted on 03/29/2013 1:54:42 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: STD
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Um . . . . . . what?

No, seriously, what the h#ll are you talking about?

34 posted on 03/29/2013 4:12:07 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for anti-American criminals!!)
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To: Old Sarge

I really like your accent not to mention you’re logic. It’s oldfashion workfare!


35 posted on 05/02/2013 12:08:12 PM PDT by Recompennation (hey hYou didn't build dat)
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