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Pope Francis -- Against the West?
Townhall.com ^ | March 15, 2013 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 03/15/2013 7:32:44 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Kaslin
One wonders what His Holiness will be thinking as he greets these ornaments of American Catholicism, both of whom regard Roe v. Wade, which has resulted in 53 million abortion deaths, as a milestone of progress for women's rights and homosexual marriage as the civil rights cause of the 21st century.

Perhaps he will bow to them as Father Zossima bowed to Dmitri Karamazov. There would be a world of meaning in the gesture.

21 posted on 03/15/2013 8:11:39 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Kaslin
"Why not follow our separated brethren of the Protestant faiths, and choose what doctrines we wish to believe and what commandments we wish to obey?"

Hey, Pat---I'm a non Catholic Christian. I don't pick and choose; if Scripture says it, it's true.

22 posted on 03/15/2013 8:25:50 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: stuartcr

Yes.


23 posted on 03/15/2013 8:51:07 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: pbear8
“That would be an offense against Christian charity and would make it more difficult for these sinners to repent and return to God.”

The Good Shepherd sometimes has to use his “rod and staff.”
The Bidens, Kennedys, Pelosis, et al., have placed politics above conscience. It would be most merciful to point out the consequences of their cynical choices and give them an opportunity to change. Denying them communion would get their attention.

24 posted on 03/15/2013 8:54:10 AM PDT by July4 (Remember the price paid for your freedom.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Actually he is a Roman Catholic, as am I


25 posted on 03/15/2013 8:58:39 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Former Fetus

Could be that, for Pat, all protestants are essentially Anglicans. That would go a long way to explain the ‘tude. The evidence I will site is that Buchanan quotes Belloc and Chesterton in his writing. Both are Catholics living in England. Then Buchanan prattles on about Anglicans and Episcopalians, a political construct of Henry VIII, as if this represented all protestants or the logical conclusion of all such “folly”.

A few years ago I found out that the Archbishop of Canterbury had to be approved by 10 Downing Street. Blaire was PM at the time, who later converted. Strange bedfellows, to say the least.

The NappyOne


26 posted on 03/15/2013 9:00:56 AM PDT by NappyOne
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To: Rennes Templar

I believe this is what he means


27 posted on 03/15/2013 9:01:12 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin
One wonders what His Holiness will be thinking as he greets these ornaments of American Catholicism, both of whom regard Roe v. Wade, which has resulted in 53 million abortion deaths, as a milestone of progress for women's rights and homosexual marriage as the civil rights cause of the 21st century.

This is a very good read from Buchanan. A great number of us have wondered about such "ornaments of American Catholicism" and for a very long time.

We on the outside looking in through scriptural windows can't help but wonder how, once they were raised to such a high pedestal and exalted as powerful, prominent pubic examples of the Catholic faith, why they remain there.

Progressives corrupt. Absolutely.

The selection of Pope Francis says Absolutely NOT!

Should be a wonderful meet and greet for them. I pray that it changes their hearts and their minds. America needs that exorcism!

28 posted on 03/15/2013 9:06:05 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: ZULU

Not at all, but it is to the Leftwing media.


29 posted on 03/15/2013 9:06:50 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

“closest to Catholicism has been the Anglican or Episcopal Church”

Perhaps in their minds, not ours. This hasn’t been true in close to 85 years.


30 posted on 03/15/2013 9:09:27 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: CatherineofAragon

Does scripture say that only scripture is authoritative?


31 posted on 03/15/2013 9:10:30 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: onyx
I am praying for a slap down: rejection.
From Pope Francis' first speech as pontiff:
Brothers and sisters, I am leaving you. Thank you for your welcome. Pray for me and I will be with you again soon.

We will see one another soon.

Tomorrow I want to go pray to the Madonna, that she may protect Rome.

Good night and sleep well!
I think we have a pope that will be direct (quoting Leon Bloy -- "Whoever does not pray to God, prays to the devil” -- in his first homily, for instance, was an indicator), and I also liked how he said he was going to "pray to the Madonna" in his first speech as pontiff (leaving off "asking intercessory prayers of"), however, in his brilliance and humility, I don't think he's going to be aggressive per se; stating the Truth will be enough (of an offense all on its own). Isn't he the best? :) Thank you, Jesus, for Pope Francis.
32 posted on 03/15/2013 9:10:39 AM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: Kaslin

“This would require the Church to admit that for 2,000 years it had been in error on matters of faith and morals, and hence is not infallible.”

This is not the issue. Churches are filled with fallible humans. The issue is that the Church would have to deny scripture.


33 posted on 03/15/2013 9:18:57 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: July4

Denying HC would be an excellent way to get them to think about repentance.


34 posted on 03/15/2013 9:22:23 AM PDT by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: JCBreckenridge

Look, I’m not going to get into a debate with you on doctrine. This forum is full of Christians, Catholic and non-Catholic; we’re brothers and sisters in Christ.

Since you asked, my belief is that 2 Timothy 3:16-17 says Scripture provides us with what we need. In verse 17, the Greek for adequate is artios, defined as “complete, capable, proficient, able to meet all demands.” The Greek for equipped is exartismenos, meaning “having been finished, fully equipped”.


35 posted on 03/15/2013 9:40:47 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: kabumpo

Bummer for all those non-Catholics


36 posted on 03/15/2013 9:42:56 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: Former Fetus
I don't think Buchanan can write any article anywhere, at any time, for any reason, without "collaterally" putting a boot to somebody's teeth.

As a Catholic who respects your Christian faith as well, please accept, apropos of Buchanan, my apologies.

37 posted on 03/15/2013 9:42:57 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ( "You can observe a lot just by watchin'. " -- Yogi Berra)
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To: stuartcr
So the Reformation is the reason the world is the way it is now?

Ya, what was up with that comment? I also not sure what Pat's point is- is a non European Pope a bad thing simply inevitable from the turns of history?

38 posted on 03/15/2013 9:43:40 AM PDT by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: 11th Commandment

Don’t know


39 posted on 03/15/2013 9:45:26 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: Kaslin

Pat Buchanan? Buchanan...Buchanan...didn’t he used to be somebody?


40 posted on 03/15/2013 9:56:18 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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