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Bailout tax shock for Cyprus savers
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Posted on 03/16/2013 8:42:06 PM PDT by alexmark

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To: alexmark

The beginning of the end of our phony stock market as the Euro begins to crash...


61 posted on 03/17/2013 4:25:39 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: alexmark

Half of the money in Cyprus banks is kept by non Cypriots!

Slick way to take money from people who can never ever vote against the people who stole it

Now, what bank in the world is a true bank haven safe from the IMF and the Germans and the Chinese? The bank of mattress?


62 posted on 03/17/2013 5:34:24 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: GeronL

Your card has the limit.

But, in this case, the ATMs have already run out of money. Most banks that were open Saturday in Cyprus closed early. So essentially there has already been a “bank run,” but it was conveniently limited by the ATMs capacity.

Plus the banks are closed on Monday per the article.


63 posted on 03/17/2013 5:43:23 AM PDT by EBH ( American citizens do not negotiate with political terrorists.)
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To: Viennacon

Russian billionaires are people, too
If the money was not there being laundered (in whihc case there would be a klegal proceeding to determine guilt) then there is no more right of a govt directive to seize it than to seize anyone’s money

But what are “rights” in this day and age? What the govt decides you should have based on your socioecomnic class and the way you vote?

Imagine the Cypriot banking system when every penny of Russian money (half the band deposits) is pulled out. Good luck with funding those Cypriot pensions. Maybe that’s why the Germans wanted to take 40%!!

Will be interesting next week to see if foreign deposits stay in banks of Greece Spain Italy and other EU countries also living loan to loan.

Will also be interesting to see what the Russians (the energy controlling billionaire “oligarchs”) charge for their gas in that pipeline to Euroep to keep the “green” Germans from freezing in the dark when their windmills sit silent


64 posted on 03/17/2013 5:45:04 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: SatinDoll
I expect, come Monday or Tuesday, that runs on European banks will be widespread. If that does happen then we can expect to see bank “holidays”, with those banks possibly never reopening. This could easily spread to the U.S.A This is what I was thinking last night, Cyprus was them lighting the fuse for the collapse. I posted last night a quote from one of the officials ...thinking this won't spread like wildfire to other weak EU members. It made me ponder how stupid either the official was or if it doesn't spread how stupid the people are! One-time hit of 10%? No, they just lost all trust in their government and banks. Whatever they have left is going to get pulled out and stuffed into mattresses. And this is going to spread, I will be shocked if it doesn't. Earlier this month when 0bama wasn't worried about the sequester I said we had 30 days...and then we would see the collapse in action. I didn't have a reason for him to be avoiding doing something, when he has the power to actually do something. It did not make sense. It sort of is starting to just reveal itself. A few things I plan to do going forward: finalize food stocks as best I can, keep a full tank of gas, and have some small bill cash on hand. Plus now is the time assess your 'barter' items. Coffee, liquer, tea, chocolate.... Pope Francis was a good choice for the church ...
66 posted on 03/17/2013 5:56:49 AM PDT by EBH ( American citizens do not negotiate with political terrorists.)
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To: alexmark

Notice how they call it a tax. It’s not a tax. It’s confiscation.

I fully expect the marxist a$$hole$ in Washington to try something like this, and they would call it a tax. The low-information voters with their heads up their a$$e$ would say, with the spit drooling from their lips “uh duh new tax duh uh”


67 posted on 03/17/2013 6:00:19 AM PDT by I want the USA back
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To: alexmark

Way to spark a bank run.


68 posted on 03/17/2013 6:12:10 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: GeronL

Yeah suprised to learn when I switched to Wells Fargo there is a 300 atm limit.


69 posted on 03/17/2013 6:13:59 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: Orange1998

-———it’s a TAKEN not a Tax-——

While the ramifications and fear might produce unintended consequences the action seems reasonable to me. The IMF et al have charged the depositors a fee for banking services. The fee may be involuntary and after the fact but it is both reasonable and a good solution to the problem.

The alternative is loss of everything.


70 posted on 03/17/2013 6:14:15 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: alexmark

Euro zone ministers struck a deal on Saturday to hand Cyprus a bailout worth 10 bln euros ($13 bln) to stave off bankruptcy. Under the programme, the island’s debt should fall to 100% of economic output by 2020, much more sustainable from the previous estimates of 120% and 140%.

Here are the outlines of the financial package:

- Nicosia will impose a 9.9% one-off levy on deposits above 100,000 euros in Cypriot banks and a tax of 6.75% on smaller deposits from March 19. The levy will generate 5.8 bln euros. There is no mention of a levy on current accounts.

Depositors will be compensated by equity in the banks. A similar fate may also be reserved for some 2 bln euros worth of bond holders who had been duped by Bank of Cyprus and Cyprus Popular Laiki Bank to buy the unsecured instruments.

There will also be a tax on interest that the deposits generate. From the current 15% it will probably rise to 30%.

- Cyprus has agreed to increase its nominal corporate tax rate by 2.5 percentage points to 12.5%, which could bring in up to 200 mln euros a year. However, this could also turn out to be a double-edged sword, as higher rates could push companies beyond Cyprus shores, resulting in lower revenues for state coffers.

- The IMF is expected to contribute to the rescue package, but the amount is still to be determined. It has also not said when it will cointribute the funds.

- Russia will likely help finance the programme by extending a 2.5 bln euro loan already made to Cyprus by five years to 2021 and reducing the interest rate, which is now at 4.5%.

- Cyprus may be required to privatise the Cypriot telecoms company Cyta, the electricity company EAC and the ports authority, which combined have assets worth 4 bln euros. Four more government owned services may also be privatised.

- Cyprus will have to downsize its banking sector, reducing it to the EU average by 2018. The size of the banking sector in Cyprus is more than eight times the size of the economy, compared to around 3.5 times in the EU.


71 posted on 03/17/2013 6:14:45 AM PDT by EBH ( American citizens do not negotiate with political terrorists.)
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To: SatinDoll

I need to check that out.


72 posted on 03/17/2013 6:19:04 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: SatinDoll

——For global bankers, a paper currency is not important——

For some time now, currency is mostly a factor. That is a constant in an equation that adjusts the values of electronic ledger entries. Of course the constant is not really constant, it varies constantly. The variation is easy to track however and the ledger entries can be easily adjusted to accommodate the variability.

Money is not currency. Money is the value at a specific instant of an electronic ledger entry. All the money in the world with the exception of say, some tribes in New Guinea, is ultimately a zap in a computer.

The SDR’s of which you post are essentially special permits to access the electronic ledger directly to make the zaps necessary to facilitate trade.


73 posted on 03/17/2013 6:31:30 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: Axenolith

Thanks for the heads up on the USPS phoney link.

What you said about the Russians and the Communist Hell...Czar Nicholas wasn’t interested in loans from the Rothschilds, so that financier gave money in support of the Communists in Russia.

Lenin rued the day he became indebted to the Rothschilds. Much evil in our present world’s position can be traced to that family’s activities in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.


74 posted on 03/17/2013 6:51:19 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: alexmark

Soros is laughing.


75 posted on 03/17/2013 7:48:00 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Viennacon

I didn’t save the links, but there are articles around stating that the Russian oligarchs were forewarned and already have taken their funds out of Cyprus.


76 posted on 03/17/2013 12:25:06 PM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: SatinDoll

Fine, not communist. At least they’re socialists, like I said. Or leftists, failing that. Whatever they are, they want to use the power of government—not merely the government we have now, but more government, new government, of ever bigger size and scope, pointing ultimately toward a one world state—to among other things maintain and grow their wealth.

We tend not to think of the super-rich, as you put it, as leftist. Or at least only to think of their bratty offspring as such. Of course, it’s been a long, long time since any Rockefeller, Morgan, Ford (a sad name to add to the list, considering how hard he fought to remain independent of the Rockefeller and Morgan cabals), etc. was enterprising and self-sufficient. But there’s no other term for what they are, except various specific kinds of socialism, like syndicalism and corporatism. You are free to deny they’re communists, and argue the socialists are their dupes. But when it comes to the end result you must categorize it somehow. And whether dreamer up by a utopian layabout red diaper baby or the board of trustees to a world famous tax-exempt endowment, there isn’t anything to Gallo what you describe as “a world of peace through centralized money control” but socialist.

This is not the Wall Street free marketeers have been known to defend. This is not families of super-rich weilding their private powers which uninitiated commies want to bring in the power of the state to regulate. This is the state, as run by people allied with, influenced by, and funded by the super-rich. This is what used to be called “rent-seeking.” Private wealth influencing government to bar entry by competition and secure for themselves an everlasting place of wealth and influence.

This is the ideology either guiding or guided by that sort of position, and the export of it, especially its purebred Anglo-Saxon strain, across the entire globe. This is the Corporate State. This is Mussolini’s syndicalism, only internationalist. This is Hillaire Belloc’s Servile State. This is Lenin’s Last Stage of Capitalism. This is what everyone accused Naziism of being, but wasn’t quite. This is leftwing Big Business.


77 posted on 03/17/2013 12:57:33 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane

It is a confusing picture, would you agree?

One thing that startled me about Bill Still’s documentary on The Money Masters, was something Still mentioned about J.P.Morgan.

I know I always thought of John Pierpont Morgan as one of the wealthiest men in the USA. But when Morgan died, his will was surprising in that he was not fantastically wealthy. He only left about $1,500,000. It turned out that Morgan was an agent for the Rothschild family of England, and the rest of the money Morgan wielded belonged to them.


78 posted on 03/17/2013 1:17:47 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: Tublecane
“No, no, I don’t have your money. It’s in Bill’s house and Fred’s house.”

“Hey, what are you doing with my money in your house, Fred?!?”

"Well, ya see, Fred hasn't worked in the last 15 years, but, but that's no reason for Fred not to have a nice house like yours, TC."

"So, just calm down and go home and watch another episode of American Idol, TC, and hug your family, and be thankful we know how to handle your money better'n you do, TC."

79 posted on 03/17/2013 1:24:53 PM PDT by Jane Long (Background checks? Dandy idea, Mr. President. Shoulda started with yours. - Sarah Palin)
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