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Cruz Sends Scarborough and Maddow of MSNBC Into Conniptions
The New American ^ | Mar. 17, 2013 | Thomas R. Eddlem

Posted on 03/17/2013 7:28:53 AM PDT by EXCH54FE

Texas Senator Ted Cruz's question to California Democratic Senator Diane Feinstein on the Second Amendment in a March 14 hearing forced MSNBC hosts into conniptions,

At the heart of the congressional debate are the questions: Does the Second Amendment prohibit the federal government from passing laws related to firearms, leaving the role exclusively to the states? Or does the Second Amendment grant Congress the authority to pass laws banning guns whenever it believes it appropriate?

The Second Amendment in the Bill of Rights provides that “the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” The term, “the right of the people,” when the framers included it in the Bill of Rights, they used it as a term of art. That same phrase, “the right of the people,” is found in the First Amendment: “the right of the people to peaceably assemble and petition their government for a redress of grievances.” It's also found in the Fourth Amendment, “the right of the people to free from unreasonable searches and seizures.” And the question I would pose to the senior Senator from California [Feinstein] is, would she deem it consistent with the Bill of Rights for Congress to engage in the same endeavor that we are contemplating doing with the Second Amendment in the context of the First or the Fourth Amendment? Namely, would she consider it constitutional for Congress to specify that the First Amendment shall apply only to the following books, and shall not apply to the books that Congress has deemed outside the protection of the First Amendment?

The Harvard Law School-educated Cruz's question sent MSNBC's Morning Joe host Joe Scarborough into an on-air meltdown, where Scarborough essentially argued that it doesn't matter what the Second Amendment says.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: California; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; california; communism; communists; coup; dianefeinstein; guncontrol; progressiveagenda; secondamendment; tedcruz; texas
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To: jpsb

destroy the msm, save the nation.

the msm has to be bypassed and made insignificant.

The more unemployed at cnn, nyt, msnbc, and even fnc the better for all of us.


41 posted on 03/17/2013 8:44:15 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

The liberal gun control advocates know that the 2nd amendment isn’t about hunting prairie dogs or shooting skeet - it’s about defending ourselves, and not just against common criminals, but against our enemies, both foreign and domestic.

And they know full well they have become the domestic enemies the Founders warned against.


42 posted on 03/17/2013 8:45:03 AM PDT by Iron Munro (I miss America, don't you?)
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To: lonestar
I was firmly in the Cruz camp, as were many others, BEFORE Sarah jumped on the bandwagon! Just sayin’.

Well, sure. So was I. But let's not forget that Cruz wound up neck and neck with Lt Gov David Dewhurst in the primary, which triggered a runoff election. Sarah Palin's vocal support for Cruz was one of the factors which helped tip the vote in his favor in that race.

Ted's grateful for her help, and so am I.

43 posted on 03/17/2013 8:45:58 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: longtermmemmory

“destroy the msm, save the nation.
the msm has to be bypassed and made insignificant.
The more unemployed at cnn, nyt, msnbc, and even fnc the better for all of us.”

Yup, they are our mortal enemies. They need to be ridiculed, and worse,at every opportunity. IMO, not enough bad things can happen to those people.


44 posted on 03/17/2013 8:48:50 AM PDT by Batman11 (We came for the chicken sandwiches and a Sweet Tea Party broke out!)
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To: longtermmemmory

What is the Moldy class? Are these what I would refer to as establishment Republicans who are sort of clueless about the Tea Party and true conservatism?


45 posted on 03/17/2013 8:57:35 AM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: lonestar

Polls showed that she made a real difference.


46 posted on 03/17/2013 8:58:28 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
Anyone who's played a sport knows that it's better to play offense than defense.

But the GOPe, like so many losing coaches, like to play prevent.

Haha, sounds like you're familiar with ex-San Diego Chargers coach Norv Turner. I've been on a rant to get him fired for years as he is a loser that played defense instead of crushing a team with their offense. When he went soft, he switched to prevent defense always snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory.

47 posted on 03/17/2013 9:01:44 AM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: lonestar

No, he is not insincere. I know plenty of people in Texas who were all for Perry’s boy, Dewhurst, and had never heard of Cruz. I knew him through Mark Levin.

Republican voters thrive on the news media. They are not called the stupid party for nothing. I’ve had very otherwise smart and successful men tell me recently that since the house in republican Obama won’t ;have power, they’ll stop him. OK.

I can’t get people to listen to Levin. They get stuck thinking people are on their side. McCain! really, he was bad the day Clinton was not impeached and McCain, head of the Armed Services Committee didn’t care. They love him because He got shot down over VN. I think that’s a DQer but I’m mean. Meanwhile he’s insane, but what do I know?

They love Perry. WHY? Not only is he a dope, he is so pro Mexican illegals, he’s ushering in not only and invasion, but Texas’ turning blue. The Bushes. Dana Perino Loves them Why?

What is Jeb Bush doing out there?

And Romney? What? He attacked our candidates tooth and Nail and caved as soon as debate 1 was over. We knew he’d do that. No one followed that story. He’d be caving left and right in the WH. Of course he would. He never attacked the libs, takers, nor Dems. Where did that story go?

Rove has nothing but animosity for the conservatives can’t get that kind of loathing going for the Obama people. But people listen to him.

They were on board with Cruz only after Sarah came out with her endorsement. She’s not from nowhere, she was a governor and she ran for VP and she is fabulous and consistent. Even if she lacks the education and language skills. She is passionate and people listen to her.

Cruz knows that

The media hates her, but they’ll broadcast her statements. Cruz gained only after her endorsement.

Because there are an awful lot of republican voters who thrive on the media.

Here’s what they hear: Bill O’Rielly says just the other day, and I paraphrase: I don’t think Obama is a socialist. I think he is out for the good of the country.


48 posted on 03/17/2013 9:03:54 AM PDT by stanne
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To: 9YearLurker
Polls showed that she made a real difference.

"Believe in the rabbit's foot if you wish; remember it didn't work for the rabbit." :)

Actually, I think the debates were a game changer. Dewhurst did not do well. He is not a good speaker. Cruz ate his lunch. It was downhill from there with Dewhurst. He is GOPe, BTW.

49 posted on 03/17/2013 9:08:37 AM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: EXCH54FE

He flogged the girl to a bloody pulp........ her credibility is forever an issue.

She has tons of totally irrelevant experience in preserving the letter of the Bill of Rights.


50 posted on 03/17/2013 9:10:29 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: NoGrayZone

Unfortunately, I believe politics will soon become a blood sport.””””

When wasn’t it???

The Clintons have a tsunami of dead bodies in their wake.....


51 posted on 03/17/2013 9:10:37 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: lonestar
"I was firmly in the Cruz camp, as were many others, BEFORE Sarah jumped on the bandwagon!"

"Just sayin’."

Hmmmm?!? Maybe somethings are better - less said!

52 posted on 03/17/2013 9:14:47 AM PDT by harpu ( "...it's better to be hated for who you are than loved for someone you're not!")
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To: EXCH54FE

In all of this discussion what is amazing to me is that the rock of our Nation so to speak is not what people usually argue/discuss. Rather the entire framework of the Constitution is contained and constrained in/by the very first words of the Constitution commonly called the preamble i.e. “ WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES, in order to form a more perfect union................., do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.” . How much clearer and/or forceful could an intent be expressed. THE PEOPLE by being the force behind the origin of this Nation are first and foremost above the Supreme Court, the Congress, and the President. What the People wrote and expressed in Their Constitution as such cannot be abrogated by any of the three or all three in concert. The three are beholden to the PEOPLE and are to serve the PEOPLE.


53 posted on 03/17/2013 9:14:59 AM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: ridesthemiles

I’m talking about OUR side. barry has his pile of dead bodies as well.

Something very evil is coming our way. People are all feeling it and talking about it.

Exactly what “it” is, we do not know. We can all guess and be wrong, but something is coming, and soon.


54 posted on 03/17/2013 9:16:18 AM PDT by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: harpu

That’s your opinion...one that you should follow?


55 posted on 03/17/2013 9:17:17 AM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: stanne
Why do you think "being nice" equates with "insincere."

The Bushes hate Perry. Perry and the Bushes were Dewhurst supporters.

Jeb Bush isn't "out here."

You are confused about a lot...your train of thought wanders... so go in confused peace.

The debates were the game changer. Cruz was so much better it was over after the debates.

56 posted on 03/17/2013 9:20:00 AM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: lonestar; NoGrayZone; jpsb; Windflier; 9YearLurker; stanne
"That’s your opinion...one that you should follow?"

Whoa...sounds likes somebody has got their panties in bunch this morning!?!

57 posted on 03/17/2013 9:26:53 AM PDT by harpu ( "...it's better to be hated for who you are than loved for someone you're not!")
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To: EXCH54FE

Thank God we have the young blood patriots that seem to be kicking the collective ars of the McCain like sick old far!s. I was about to give up but now we have a chance. Thanks Palin, Cruz, and the rest of the young bloods. ATTACK!!!!!


58 posted on 03/17/2013 9:27:11 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: PapaNew
it might be worth researching whether there was some clear way to distinguish between the meaning in the 1700's of "arms" and things like cannons. Did the framers mean cannons when they spoke of the right to bear arms?

At the time of the Revolution, the continentals had better, more advanced rifles than the red coats. They were accurate out to a couple hundred yards, while those of the red coats were barely accurate at a quarter of that distance.

There were also many citizens who owned ships equipped with cannons. No one questioned their right to 'keep and bear' such powerful weapons. They needed them to protect against pirates on the open sea.

Essentially, the people had better weapons than their government, in many cases.

The 2nd Amendment does not grant the right to keep and bear arms. All humans are born with that right as a condition of their existence. Like the other amendments, it merely puts the government on notice that these rights are natural, and beyond their jurisdiction or authority.

To answer your question, it should go without saying that individuals have a right to keep and bear arms of whatever description best serve the purpose of protecting them against those who would do them harm. The real question is, where do The People's employees get the authority to limit the capacity, description, or power of their employer's weapons? The employees have NO intrinsic rights, and serve only at the pleasure of their masters, the governed.

It's troubling to me that any conservative would openly wonder about the definition of the word, 'arms', or question the Framers' intent with regards to the 2A. The Framers didn't get to redefine the language, and neither do modern liberals. The word means what it means - in any language you care to speak it.

59 posted on 03/17/2013 9:32:14 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: lonestar
I have a lot of friends who don't like Sarah and were supporters of Cruz from day one.

This is the kind of crap that split the party. This is the same crap that caused the lost of the election and got King Obama reelected. Keep up the negative against the real conservatives and your friends might cause another loss.

60 posted on 03/17/2013 9:32:21 AM PDT by Logical me
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