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Rand Paul’s immigration plan: Border security before probationary legal status
hotair.com ^ | 3 19 2013 | staff

Posted on 03/19/2013 1:56:47 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion

The AP claimed this morning that Paul was set to endorse a path to citizenship in his speech today. Not so, countered conservatives on Twitter: Read his prepared remarks and you’ll see that citizenship is never mentioned. Which is true, and also irrelevant.

The whole point of Paul’s speech is GOP rapprochement with Latino voters; he spends nearly two-thirds of it extolling Latinos’ work ethic, reminiscing about his friendships with Latinos growing up in Texas, name-checking Jaime Escalante and Pablo Neruda, and of course citing the ancient canard that Latinos are really just Republicans who don’t know it yet. (He mentions abortion and gay marriage as particular areas of overlap).

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; apaulling; apaulogia; apaulogist; demagogue; paulbot; randpaul; travesty

1 posted on 03/19/2013 1:56:47 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: BarnacleCenturion

you just can’t help but push amnesty on another thread can you.

How about border security and deportations?


2 posted on 03/19/2013 2:01:26 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Text of Rand Paul’s comments

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/03/19/text-of-rand-pauls-immigration-speech/?mod=WSJBlog&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wsj%2Fwashwire%2Ffeed+%28WSJ.com%3A+Washington+Wire%29


3 posted on 03/19/2013 2:01:44 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Lol, did you even read the article?


4 posted on 03/19/2013 2:03:50 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: BarnacleCenturion

LOL! you are on another thread making excuses for what’s going on, then post this and you can seriously ask that?

LOL indeed.


5 posted on 03/19/2013 2:05:17 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Rand Paul: The solution doesn’t have to be amnesty or deportation-a middle ground might be called probation where those who came illegally become legal through a probationary period.

And when the “probationary period” expires they become legal, ie AMNESTY.


6 posted on 03/19/2013 2:05:47 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: All

Big Sis says they are already secure!


7 posted on 03/19/2013 2:06:05 PM PDT by bennowens
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To: BarnacleCenturion

He says they’ll blend into the culture.

Right.

They’ll learn English with all the wimps around here and in leadership apologizing to them that we’re not learning Spanish quickly enough.

How about they can’t vote?

This is a travesty and it is totally, totally out of control.


8 posted on 03/19/2013 2:08:46 PM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne; Ray76

Look, this is not a perfect solution but if the illegals will not be deported under obama they might as well start paying taxes. They can still be deported later.


9 posted on 03/19/2013 2:16:41 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: BarnacleCenturion
They will be takers, not makers. They will receive far more in government benefits than they pay in taxes.


10 posted on 03/19/2013 2:19:50 PM PDT by kabar
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To: BarnacleCenturion
These are the folks who will be paying all those taxes. More than half of them lack even a HS diploma. How much tax money will we get from mostly high school dropouts compared to the benefits they will receive? Will they be eligible for Obamacare?


11 posted on 03/19/2013 2:24:55 PM PDT by kabar
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To: BarnacleCenturion

They take, push and force.

Paul says they’ll be part of the culture.

That’s an insult to anyone’s intelligence.

this is about votes and the republican stupid party is falling for this trap.

In our community, the wealthy Mexicans pulled out to the church and school for being told they can’t vote for a pro abortion candidate and be in God’s grace.

They left in droves.

They will not vote for republicans to save their souls and they are teaching their children this, while they force their language and culture onto the community.

The local businesses are bilingual and non Spanish speakers cannot get work.

Yeah, there’ll be deportations. The border is way north of the Rio Grande.


12 posted on 03/19/2013 2:27:58 PM PDT by stanne
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To: BarnacleCenturion

There is no such thing as “probationary” legal status

The “probation” thing will be thrown out in a heartbeat, heck I would throw that out.


13 posted on 03/19/2013 2:31:53 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Ray76

“probationary period” will be ruled unconstitutional and walla, 40 million new Democrat voters on the dole.

The end of America.


14 posted on 03/19/2013 2:32:50 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

Nope, if the probationary status is struck down they will just go back to being illegals.


15 posted on 03/19/2013 2:36:10 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: BarnacleCenturion

doubtful. the amnesty crowd won’t allow that.


16 posted on 03/19/2013 2:37:34 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

OK I just heard Rand on the Hannity radio show and when Hannity asked him if border security would be first,

RAND SAID NOOOOOOO

The illegals would get work visas right away. Then we would work on border security. Congress is going to vote on whether the border is secure, what a joke!!

He told a heart warming story of when he was a young man working with illegals doing roofing jobs etc. That was a long time ago and really has no basis with illegal aliens today.


17 posted on 03/19/2013 2:53:30 PM PDT by jdirt
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Here is a solution.

Mandatory 4 years in the military or a lifetime of not being able to vote in any election.

Or you may go home and apply for citizenship after a 4 year wait.


18 posted on 03/19/2013 2:57:22 PM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: VanDeKoik
Mandatory 4 years in the military or a lifetime of not being able to vote in any election

thrown out by the courts in about a minute, automatic 40 million new Democrats

19 posted on 03/19/2013 2:58:49 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Norm Lenhart

There isn’t going to be mass deportation, even Michelle Bachmann is against.


20 posted on 03/19/2013 3:01:53 PM PDT by Perdogg (Sen Ted Cruz is my adoptive Senator)
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To: Perdogg

cut off the bennies

giving them MORE benefit of breaking our laws is not a solution


21 posted on 03/19/2013 3:02:54 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
Rand Paul’s immigration plan: Border security before probationary legal status

How about visa enforcement as well -- and he can start now.

22 posted on 03/19/2013 3:12:18 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Perdogg
The proponents of amnesty are wont to create the false choice between a blanket amnesty and mass deportation of 12 to 20 million illegal aliens. In reality, we have other choices and alternatives that don’t reward people who have broken our laws with the right to stay and work here and an eventual path to citizenship. The 12 to 20 million illegal aliens did not enter this country overnight and they will not leave overnight. Attrition through enforcement works. We have empirical data from Georgia, Oklahoma, Alabama, and Arizona proving that it does.

During the 2006 amnesty debate, the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) commissioned a Zogby poll offering respondents not the false choice between mass deportation or amnesty (a word CIS did not use in the survey), but rather a three-way choice between mass deportation, earned legalization, and attrition — and attrition was preferred two-to-one over legalization.

23 posted on 03/19/2013 3:16:09 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Perdogg

She who hired a RINO to tank her own campaign and played attack dog for Romney should not be taken seriously on a whole lot.


24 posted on 03/19/2013 3:26:50 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: GeronL

“and walla?”

et voila? I think that’s right. Haven’t spoken French in 50 years!


25 posted on 03/19/2013 4:00:17 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
Paul praises the poet Pablo Neruda in his speech, and asks, "How can we not want that [Latin] culture to merge with and infuse the American spirit." Well, I can enjoy a poem -- just as well at a great distance -- and without feeling compelled to support citizenship for illegal immigrants. I appreciate many things about Latin culture, but its prevailing political inclinations are not one of them.

Because Paul's is a political speech, I think it's relevant to consider Neruda's political views. Neruda was a Communist. That's not the political culture I want to "infuse" the American spirit. (Persons who aren't familiar with Neruda can confirm this in Wikipedia -- "During his lifetime, Neruda occupied many diplomatic positions and served a stint as a senator for the Chilean Communist Party.")

26 posted on 03/19/2013 4:49:50 PM PDT by GJones2 (Paul neglects to mention that Neruda was a Communist)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
Here's a detailed Wikipedia account of Neruda's Communism. He not only supported Communism, but stood out from other prominent leftists in his refusal to denounce Communist abuses. I think of him as Borges did.
27 posted on 03/19/2013 5:04:18 PM PDT by GJones2 (Paul neglects to mention that Neruda was a Communist)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
> "I am a fan of Gabriel Garcia Marquez." [Rand Paul]

Another anti-American supporter of Communism. He's an admirer of Castro and "and for many years was denied visas by U.S. immigration authorities" (until Clinton overruled them). [Wikipedia]

I've read his novel One Hundred Years of Solitude (in Spanish), and though I enjoyed the humor at times, I consider it a step backward toward primitive irrationality.

28 posted on 03/19/2013 5:24:52 PM PDT by GJones2 (Paul says he's a fan of Gabriel García Márquez)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

The solution is simple and evident, yet everyone avoids/evades it. Here is the RIGHT plan:
1) Secure the border.

2) Declare a date certain, within 6 months, by which date every illegal must register and set a date, within the following 6 months, for processing within their legal country.

3) If stopped, for any reason, the person must have their registration with their upcoming processing date, or proof of legal entry. If they do not, they will be deported immediately and NEVER given the opportunity to return - FOR ANY REASON!

4) The illegal makes a choice. If they aspire to US citizenship, they must return to their legal country and go through the normal process, no shortcuts, no promises.

5) If they do not aspire to US citizenship they return to their country by the date stipulated on their registration papers, apply for legal resident status, allow for vetting and background legal checks. Possibly allow for expedited processing if they have family in the US and a job. But in no case will these people EVER be granted US citizenship, and in no case will they EVER be allowed to become wards of the state or receive any kind of government assistance. They will never be allowed to VOTE! NOTE: Anchor baby OFF! Their decendants will not be granted citizenship by virtue of being born in the US.

6) If a legal resident (non-citizen) commits a felony or certain types of misdemeanors (like attempting to vote), they will be deported and NEVER granted re-entry for ANY reason (even if their child is dying and needs their kidney to live...they will need to ship the kidney or ship the child).

7) If a legal resident commits an act whereby another person suffers loss, they must either make full restitution or be deported, as in #6 above. A third occurance will require restitution by seizure AND deportation.

Will they all register? No. But most will. And over time, the ones who didn’t register would be forcibly shipped home. And most importantly, most of them will choose the non-citizen option - thwarting the political designs of the dems.


29 posted on 03/19/2013 5:25:18 PM PDT by GilesB
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2) Declare a date certain, within 6 months, by which date every illegal must register and set a date, within the following 6 months, for processing within their legal country.

As someone who has actually issued immigrant visas, most of these illegal aliens would never qualify for an immigrant visa. And if they truly went to the back of the line in their home countries, it would take years to get into this country even if they are qualified.

What would be the incentive to register versus remain an illegal alien? We have over 2 million criminal aliens in this country. I doubt they would register.

5) If they do not aspire to US citizenship they return to their country by the date stipulated on their registration papers, apply for legal resident status, allow for vetting and background legal checks. Possibly allow for expedited processing if they have family in the US and a job. But in no case will these people EVER be granted US citizenship, and in no case will they EVER be allowed to become wards of the state or receive any kind of government assistance. They will never be allowed to VOTE! NOTE: Anchor baby OFF! Their decendants will not be granted citizenship by virtue of being born in the US.

Never happen. We have birthright citizenship. You either eliminate it for everyone or no one. You can't cut them off of entitlement programs. And why would you give them preference over other intending immigrants just because they have a job in the US? It is illegal for an illegal alien to work in this country. More than likely they have committed ID theft, misused an SSN, evaded taxes, etc.

Will they all register? No. But most will. And over time, the ones who didn’t register would be forcibly shipped home. And most importantly, most of them will choose the non-citizen option - thwarting the political designs of the dems.

Why can't we just ship them home using attrition thru enforcement? Any legislation that allows the lawbreakers to stay and work here, the object of their crime, is amnesty. A path to citizenship is a bonus. Giving them to what amounts to green cards entitles them to all the benefits of citizenship except voting. In any event, such a solution would never pass Congress.

N.B. The very people you are depending upon to implement such a scheme, the Obama Administration, are the same ones who have granted a backdoor amnesty to 1.8 million illegal aliens. How can you put the fox in charge of the hen house?

30 posted on 03/19/2013 6:50:52 PM PDT by kabar
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