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We're All CVS Employees Now
American Thinker ^ | 3/23/2013 | Tara Servatius

Posted on 03/23/2013 3:39:28 AM PDT by markomalley

CVS employees, and the rest of America, had better get used to turning over personal health information like their glucose levels and body mass index to their insurers - and to the federal government.

Starting in 2014, per the dictates of the federal government, your doctor must record your body mass index (BMI), which measures whether you are overweight, each time he or she treats you and turn it over to the government via your electronic health record, which every patient is required to have.  Your BMI will then be tracked by the Health and Human Services Department, the agency rolling out ObamaCare, and a bevy of other state and federal agencies.

Shock and anger ensued this week as CVS employees learned that if they didn't turn over that information to their insurers, they'd be fined.  But CVS is merely rolling out what may become one of the most controversial aspects of ObamaCare a little ahead of schedule.

One needs only to look to Europe to see how our political elites will use ObamaCare, and the BMI weight measure they are so determined to record for each of us, to intrude into and regulate not just our health care, but our lives.

In the U.K., overweight patients or those who smoke are branded "undeserving" and denied treatments like cataract surgery (without which they could eventually go blind) and knee and hip surgery, leaving some who don't qualify for the surgery in agonizing pain.  Some of the U.K.'s "trusts," which regulate the national health care system for various zones of the country, go farther, denying all operations to those who don't meet the government's weight dictates except for lifesaving surgery on their hearts, brains or to remove cancer.


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1 posted on 03/23/2013 3:39:28 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

Bingo.....you will be NOT ALLOWED to EAT certain foods, or do things that a dangerous...skiing, spelunking, mountain climbing, etc.


2 posted on 03/23/2013 3:45:26 AM PDT by Ann Archy
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To: Ann Archy

But sodomy will be OK.


3 posted on 03/23/2013 3:47:12 AM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (Ho, ho, hey, hey, I'm BUYcotting Chick-Fil-A)
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To: markomalley

Go to the doctor when you are ill and forget checkups. No data, no records, no government intrusion.

Up until the 50s, that’s what people did. No health insurance, either.


4 posted on 03/23/2013 3:48:28 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: markomalley

CVS sucks

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CVS_Pharmacy#Controversies


5 posted on 03/23/2013 3:49:58 AM PDT by Sparky1776
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
"But sodomy will be OK."

It actually sounds like sodomy will be required and administered by the government. What will happen when you go to the doctor for a specific issue and refuse the standard weigh in, blood pressure, etc. Will you be refused treatment?

6 posted on 03/23/2013 3:58:18 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: Truth29
It actually sounds like sodomy will be required and administered by the government.

But it will be safe since the proper way to do it will be taught in government schools.

7 posted on 03/23/2013 4:00:15 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: markomalley
—>>>overweight patients or those who smoke are branded “undeserving” and denied treatments like cataract surgery (without which they could eventually go blind) and knee and hip surgery, leaving some who don't qualify for the surgery in agonizing pain

And the people who voted for him will have to go through this as well. Those people blamed the right for being too hard on Obama. It was just the warning that some knew to give. The Obamas will never have to face this treatment nor most of the ruling class.

8 posted on 03/23/2013 4:01:34 AM PDT by Christie at the beach (I like Newt. Our nation's foundation is under attack.)
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To: markomalley

In the U.K., overweight patients or those who smoke are branded “undeserving” and denied treatments like cataract surgery (without which they could eventually go blind) and knee and hip surgery, leaving some who don’t qualify for the surgery in agonizing pain.

Cry me a river. Did they lose weight or quit smoking ? I sure as hell don’t want to subsidize the added medical charges incurred by the people not taking care of themselves.


9 posted on 03/23/2013 4:02:19 AM PDT by erlayman
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To: erlayman
Here's a dollar.

Consider it overcompensation for your share of my 'added costs'.

Use it for some lube when you go F yourself.

10 posted on 03/23/2013 4:06:22 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: erlayman

—>>are branded “undeserving”

Where does it stop...Hello, wake up.


11 posted on 03/23/2013 4:06:27 AM PDT by Christie at the beach (I like Newt. Our nation's foundation is under attack.)
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To: markomalley

When my PCP (primary care physician of 23yrs) had computers installed in the exam rooms, 5-6yrs ago, I knew this ‘electronic info sharing’ was coming, and the gov’t would get ahold of it. He assured me it would stay within the Wellspan Medical System here in PA, but it hasn’t.

Everything you tell them is recorded and shared on the networks.

Geisinger Health (PA) does the same thing, and has for years. K-P (Kaiser-Permanente) in CA, too. They’re all interconnected and the gov’t is an intrusive part of that data-sharing system, for the insurance companies.

0scumbagCare has usurped and collected all of the data.


12 posted on 03/23/2013 4:10:54 AM PDT by carriage_hill (The Most Insidious Power The Corrupt, Criminal Media Has, Is The Power To Ignore The Truth.)
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To: erlayman

Since when does smoking or being overweight cause cataracts?

I sure as hell don’t want bureaucrats making these decisions for me on the basis of arbitrary guidelines established by other bureaucrats.

What makes you think that government bureaucrats have any right to punish someone with blindness because they use a legal product, or their genetics make them prone to being overweight?


13 posted on 03/23/2013 4:17:43 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: markomalley

This story reveals one of the biggest problems with the health insurance system—it is largely “employer-funded” (that is, employers use money that would otherwise be available as wages to buy health insurance).

Individuals/Families should buy their own health insurance. Issues such as these, along with pre-existing conditions all go away. Insurance companies compete, and set premiums based upon risk— including personal habits that increase the likely need for expensive treatments. People remain free to act as they wish, with the attendant costs.


14 posted on 03/23/2013 4:25:38 AM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: NCLaw441

Be careful, you almost sound like your advocating for exchanges.


15 posted on 03/23/2013 4:31:30 AM PDT by whattajoke (Let's keep Conservatism real.)
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To: erlayman

Do you like eggs, milk, cream, cheese, beef, bacon? Remember that government busybodies are continuously looking for the next thing to throttle the public with. It never stops with just the ‘objectionables’ of smoking or being too fat. The government will never take its boot off your neck no matter how what regulations you comply with; there is always the next regulation... and the next. It’s the ruling classes form of enjoyment to have power and use it.


16 posted on 03/23/2013 4:36:59 AM PDT by Flick Lives (We're going to be just like the old Soviet Union, but with free cell phones!)
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To: erlayman
I sure as hell don’t want to subsidize the added medical charges incurred by the people not taking care of themselves.

I dare say, our new Overlords, those who will be in charge of ObamaCare, those bureaucrats populating the "death panels," our equivalent of the UK's National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence ("NICE" LMAO!), control freaks like Michael Bloomberg, will find plenty of behaviors/conditions in your own life to classify you as undeserving.

Do you smoke? Does someone in your house smoke? (Pot is OK.) Do you drink? Do you eat fatty foods? Salt? Sodas? What is your body/fat ratio? Any genetic defects in your family? (We can't have you burdening the collective with the onerous cost of defective genes.) Sweets? Spend too much time in the sun? Do you eat your mandatory four cups of vegetables per day?

How about your extracurricular activities? Do you mountain climb? Skydive? Play football? Baseball? (Softball is probably OK, pending further review.) Lift weights unattended? Seat belts on at all times? Any firearms in the house...?

Be careful what you wish for, FRiend. Because you're about to get it. Unless we get some Divine intervention really soon, you'll be in the unenviable position of never being able to make one single solitary decision about your life ever again. That is, if you want to be officially approved to receive "health care."

17 posted on 03/23/2013 4:37:00 AM PDT by kevao (.)
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To: All

I had a voluntary health screening.. They said my BMI was high.. Here is the thing, I workout.. Never mind if I went by the BMI standard, I would be skinny as a rail.. That is why I don’t like the BMI..


18 posted on 03/23/2013 4:53:51 AM PDT by KevinDavis (Third Parties are for losers.)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

Sodomy will be PREFERRED!!


19 posted on 03/23/2013 4:57:23 AM PDT by Ann Archy
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To: Christie at the beach

Think you are wrong about one thing....Minorities, people who voted for Obama will be EXEMPTED. Unless you are reigstered DEMOCRAT and VOTE that way, you COULD be “underserving” of treatment in the future!!


20 posted on 03/23/2013 4:59:07 AM PDT by Ann Archy
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To: tomkat; erlayman
Here's a dollar. Consider it overcompensation for your share of my 'added costs'.

Depends on the size of your claims pool. For most of us, with employer-sponsored benefits, it's a hell of a lot more than a dollar.
21 posted on 03/23/2013 5:03:02 AM PDT by whattajoke (Let's keep Conservatism real.)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty; All
Yeah, in the interest of fairness they should also require the employees to disclose any high risk sexual activity they engage in. Don't want to pay for any health related problems from smoking or obesity? Hey, maybe I don't like paying for anyone else's health problems they got from whoring around.
22 posted on 03/23/2013 5:03:34 AM PDT by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: erlayman
Cry me a river. Did they lose weight or quit smoking ? I sure as hell don’t want to subsidize the added medical charges incurred by the people not taking care of themselves.

asshat, the point being that they are being forced to pay for a product and then being denied use of what they paid for.

In the real world that's call THEFT.

In the People's Republik of Obama that's called a common sense solution.

we'll see how long that lasts when it turns out the hardest hit are the low income who vote democrat

23 posted on 03/23/2013 5:10:27 AM PDT by Abundy
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To: markomalley

Surgeon Gen Benjamin doesn’t look like she misses any meals does she?


24 posted on 03/23/2013 5:15:13 AM PDT by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: Abundy

It’s amazing how much of our behavior - especially the bad kind (or what God calls SIN) - we like to excuse with memes like “we were born with it” and “it’s all genetics” - truth is - it’s all a choice - we just don’t want to take responsibility for the results of said bad behavior - we prefer to play it easy and play the victim instead. Sad.

And it is true that exercising won’t completely counter the effects of the obesity genes, it will dramatically reduce their impact. If these individuals denied care were priced out of health insurance or paying out of pocket I guarantee the intractable health effects spilling over into society would virtually disappear overnight.


25 posted on 03/23/2013 5:50:10 AM PDT by erlayman
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To: Ann Archy

I don’t know that for sure. I think Obamacare will be hurting everybody at some point. I do agree some will get waivers and special vouchers along with better health care than others. Most of us will get the worse health care and treatment as it stands to all be changed.


26 posted on 03/23/2013 5:51:44 AM PDT by Christie at the beach (I like Newt. Our nation's foundation is under attack.)
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To: markomalley
I say, Americans need to figure out a way to starve out the insurance providers.

Idea! Most Americans renew their insurance around the first of the year through their employer.

Perhaps a mass “Drop coverage” effort for a period of time for those who are able to withstand the sacrifice. Maybe those who cannot can join in dropping certain coverages.

Pull back on health coverage where it makes sense, drop coverages or pull back on auto, home, life, disability.

Any investment one may have through an insurance co. or affiliated co......find an alternative. Just brainstorming. I realize, getting hundreds of thousands of folks to do the same thing at the same time is a stretch.

We do need to starve these b@stards. It's all about the dollar when you get down to brass tacks anyhow.

27 posted on 03/23/2013 5:57:33 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: Christie at the beach

Hmmm recording BMI. Now why would they do that unless they are going to use it against you for coverage or force you to go on a diet to comply with their “program”. I think it’s clear where this is headed. I always said if they outlawed chocolate there would be more of a public reaction and upisingthan any other political issue...lol


28 posted on 03/23/2013 6:08:41 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: KevinDavis

> I had a voluntary health screening.. They said my BMI was high.. Here is the thing, I workout.. Never mind if I went by the BMI standard, I would be skinny as a rail.. That is why I don’t like the BMI..

Same here. I do cross fit and lift weights and I’ve never fit into those height / weight charts which I don’t think take into account the additional muscle mass of athletic people. They seem to be based on the 50’s version of people that didn’t exercise the same way.


29 posted on 03/23/2013 6:14:44 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: whattajoke

I am advocating for capitalism. I don’t expect the argument to win—outside of FR.


30 posted on 03/23/2013 6:40:58 AM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: Ann Archy

Sodomy will be PREFERRED!!


It does not create human beings, which Progressives cannot tolerate.


31 posted on 03/23/2013 6:54:07 AM PDT by bytesmith
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To: Abundy
we'll see how long that lasts when it turns out the hardest hit are the low income who vote democrat

What evidence have you ever seen that a member a democrat constituency group ever left the party after getting jammed up by the politicians they elect? Blacks are getting creamed. Look at what is going on in Chicago, or Detroit, or Atlanta. They don't care. Democrat voters will always do what their betters tell them to do.

32 posted on 03/23/2013 7:01:15 AM PDT by Poison Pill (Take your silver lining and SHOVE IT!)
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To: markomalley

In the 60’s, people took acid to make the world weird.
Now the world is weird and people take Prozac to make it normal.


33 posted on 03/23/2013 7:02:56 AM PDT by csmusaret (America is more divided today , not because of the problems we face but because of Obama's solutions)
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To: markomalley

Why not throw drug trusting in there as well?

Ok, so the gov says it doesn’t want to pay for those of us who don’t take care of ourselves, what about those, like drug addicts, who actively are knowingly harming their health?

Just like obese and smokers, why not apply the standard to meth, crack, cocaine and even pot? Yes pot! You want health care? Piss in the jar.

Hippies want free health care, well lets show them that even their own socialistic programs dictate that nothing is free.


34 posted on 03/23/2013 7:04:11 AM PDT by Wildbill22 (They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton Williams Abrams)
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To: erlayman
It’s amazing how much of our behavior - especially the bad kind (or what God calls SIN) - we like to excuse with memes like “we were born with it” and “it’s all genetics” - truth is - it’s all a choice - we just don’t want to take responsibility for the results of said bad behavior - we prefer to play it easy and play the victim instead. Sad. And it is true that exercising won’t completely counter the effects of the obesity genes, it will dramatically reduce their impact. If these individuals denied care were priced out of health insurance or paying out of pocket I guarantee the intractable health effects spilling over into society would virtually disappear overnight.

I don't disagree with any of what you are saying.

But that doesn't matter, the point is that a product is being paid for and the service is not being provided.

Compound that fact with the fact that the government is the 'provider.'

Compound those two facts by the fact that the 'provider' is REQUIRING you to purchase the service.

The private system at least made one pay for the cost of their lifestyle choices.

35 posted on 03/23/2013 7:04:18 AM PDT by Abundy
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To: markomalley; Forty-Niner; celtic gal; unkus; gonzo; bevperl; ZULU; tgusa; IrishMike; mazda77; ...

ObamaCare, the next Holocaust, IMO, including the Democrat’s Death Panels. How does that differ from SS agents picking who went to Labor Camps and who went to the Gas Chambers? I’m waiting for OBayMe, Pelosi and Reid’s answers. How about you?


36 posted on 03/23/2013 7:04:54 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

On the other hand (ahem) Surgeon General Jocelyn Elders advocated for masturbation.


37 posted on 03/23/2013 7:05:09 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Wildbill22

Drug TESTING. iPad auto spell....


38 posted on 03/23/2013 7:06:20 AM PDT by Wildbill22 (They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton Williams Abrams)
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To: ExTexasRedhead
I’m waiting for OBayMe, Pelosi and Reid’s answers. How about you?

No. Why wait around for lies.

39 posted on 03/23/2013 7:09:24 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: Flick Lives

Keep all that in mind the next time you go to the grocery store and use your little cost savings card! LOL...


40 posted on 03/23/2013 7:13:00 AM PDT by EBH ( American citizens do not negotiate with political terrorists.)
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To: Fresh Wind

“I sure as hell don’t want bureaucrats making these decisions for me on the basis of arbitrary guidelines established by other bureaucrats.”

But you want the bureaucrats to pay for your care though, right?

See the folks bitching about this “intrusiveness” are doing so because they actually want someone else to pay, but want no accountability otherwise.

This is what medical care has become. Nobody wants people to suffer, but the time is past when you can live an unhealthy lifestyle (yes, choose your definition here) and expect someone else to pay and not put limits on you.

Medical care should be a patient->doctor relationship only - and that includes payment.

All the nonsense goes away when you pay for the services you want.

If you expect someone else to pay, then you get what THEY pay for.


41 posted on 03/23/2013 7:16:15 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: servantboy777

“Americans need to figure out a way to starve out the insurance providers.”

They will willingly become servants of the State, just like banks have become. They aren’t really private companies.


42 posted on 03/23/2013 7:19:29 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: markomalley

CVS needs better HR and PR people. My company has been offering a 20% discount if we participate in a voluntary wellness program. I suppose those who choose not to participate could look at it as a 25% penalty.

The company plan is also voluntary. If you don’t like the rules, you can opt out.


43 posted on 03/23/2013 7:29:04 AM PDT by socal_parrot (I hate to say I told you so, but...)
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To: ExTexasRedhead
ObamaCare, the next Holocaust, IMO, including the Democrat’s Death Panels. How does that differ from SS agents picking who went to Labor Camps and who went to the Gas Chambers?

It differs quite a bit, actually. The SS and Labor Camps were real. "Death Panels," however, are not.
44 posted on 03/23/2013 7:31:51 AM PDT by whattajoke (Let's keep Conservatism real.)
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To: erlayman

Plenty of people who are thin get sick. Even those who don’t smoke. There are genetic problems that we may all face. I guess we should all be refused treatment for things. We’re human with bodies that fail for God knows what reasons. I don’t like the government playing God when they are the most godless people I know.


45 posted on 03/23/2013 7:37:01 AM PDT by EarlyAmerican 2
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To: NTHockey

Go to the doctor when you are ill and forget checkups.

You can’t just ‘go to’ a doctor when you are ill any more. You have to be ‘established’ with them- which means a check-up- or as I like to call it, an interrogation and data-mining session. This allows you the privilege of going to see them when you are sick or in need of care. They WILL get you one way or another.


46 posted on 03/23/2013 7:44:02 AM PDT by usmom
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

Smoking dope will be just fine, of course but horrors to the person who attempts to use that evil drug, tobacco!


47 posted on 03/23/2013 7:46:15 AM PDT by zerosix (Native sunflower)
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To: markomalley

I’m looking forward to underground systems of medical care, where doctors are paid cash, with no insurance, no Medicare or Medicaid, all records are kept by the patient and given to the doctor to review prior to treatment, the doctor provides all surgeries they can in the office, and tests are done anonymously, also for cash.

Likely done in parallel with an “above-ground” practice, the pharmaceuticals are skimmed from manufacturer samples, and returns from patients who kick back unused prescriptions to the doctor “for disposal” and a discount. Otherwise, a courier runs pharmaceuticals up from Mexico.

The end result is that HIPPA is avoided, with the patient’s official medical records showing that they never needed treatment for anything, yet got annual checkups showing them to be healthy and normal in every way, do not smoke or drink or engage in any other unhealthy behavior.

Being paid in cash, the doctor can use these funds to get supplies and equipment outside of the system, and likely make a lot more money than they would be *allowed* to make otherwise.

Officially, patients claim that all their problems were “cured” with OTC and herbal remedies.


48 posted on 03/23/2013 7:59:48 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: EarlyAmerican 2

I don’t like the government playing God either but even many private insurers regard obesity, high blood pressure, diabetes, smoking etc as falling under “pre-existing” condition rules. However much these people are contributing to the system on an individual basis, intentionally or not, their behavior is driving up rates for the entire pool.


49 posted on 03/23/2013 8:03:58 AM PDT by erlayman
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To: NTHockey

Never go unless you want a bullet removed, a knife taken out of you or certain bones are broken..period. I went for broken ribs twice in 2010 and the tests, xrays, MRI’s should have kept that place running for the whole year. What did they they do? Gave me three pills each visit and scheduled me for a colonoscopy. Cheaper to buy the Oxycodin from the kid next door, which I did. And no, nobody wags their finger even in my face.


50 posted on 03/23/2013 8:07:40 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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