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Posted on 03/23/2013 5:35:52 AM PDT by IbJensen
I seriously doubt that such a situation is true in more than a very SMALL minority of counties. Saying "many, many, many" says precisely nothing advancing your case. I grew up in a dirt poor farming county (though they call'em parishes in Louisiana). It had a WELL-attended Catholic school, and when "desegregation" hit, several secular private schools were started, most of which are still around, and still viable today.
And unfortunately for your position, that "price-fixed monopoly" is rapidly pricing itself out of the market wrt private schools. I would lay a small wager that even in your "county", a private or religious school, properly run, would succeed.
And, of course, there is always home-schooling, which is evolving rapidly into "network schooling" in collaboration with "internet schooling".
The "price-fixed monopoly" more serious attack today than it ever has been. It is a dinosaur, and soon to die.
Eventually, the tax-payers will revolt. Here in Washington, the majority of the people has passed a two-thirds vote requirement to raise taxes multiple times. The courts keep invalidating it.......but judges up here are elected too. I eventually think that there will be active campaigns against certain judges specifically targeting their votes to keep or rescind that two-thirds requirement.
And "the internet" is making possible a low-cost (almost free) educational option that bypasses the centralized schools completely. See "Kahn Academy".
All of which is true....TODAY.....but centralized "factory" schools are, in reality, a bunch of dinosaurs who haven't noticed the approaching comet. VERY shortly, it will be possible to get the absolute best education for minimal outlay. Given modern internet communication, that outcome is as inevitable as the demise of the dinosaurs was.
Eventually, I suspect the sole role of government will be as an accrediting entity, verifying the level of educational accomplishment based solely on results of standardized testing. Though even that may not last, given the existing private standards-verifying organizations for various technologies as an example to build from.
Fighting Planned Parenthood Ping!
Full support??
I don’t think so.
BAH-loney. "Schooling" as a human activity goes back thousands of years. With a handle like "St. Thomas Aquinas", you're going to tell me that even Catholic schooling is "bad".
"See my post #57, and especially the book mentioned at the end."
See my post 63 for the coming revolution that will make your arguments "toast". And which addresses your specific comment about "Microsoft Office".
"The model of schooling that was forced upon the American people, and later adopted by private schools, was the invention of humanist utopians and behavioral psychologists, from the very beginning.
Your sentence above is missing one word...."CURRENT" just before "model". In that sense your statement is true. But over the longer time interval, it is false. "Schooling" as an organized human activity FAR predates "humanist utopians", "behavioral psychologists" and all their ilk, which are solely artifacts of the very modern age. And that modern model is rapidly killing itself off with ever more ridiculous additions to the curriculum.
Not only is my county completely without a private school but so are the surrounding counties.
I did a search for our state and counties ( especially in rural areas) without private school alternatives predominate.
Please educate yourself regarding Prussian-model schooling.
Just checked out the book you recommended:
Underground History of American Education by Gatto
Read the Introduction and was very impressed by the research behind it. He is correct in every aspect and draws the proper conclusions. Ordered 2 copies and will keep one copy on my computer desk to humiliate the occasional idiot who wanders into FR. Thanks.
I would like to keep bringing up the fact that Margaret Sanger wanted to use abortion to rid the country of ‘undesirable’ population. She was an evil racist.
And...As for today's Catholic schools, BEWARE! All Catholic schools are not created equal. My daughter taught in a Texas Catholic school and every teacher and the principal ( except my daughter) voted for Obama ( a man who voted three times to deny medical treatment to infants born alive after an abortion). He class was the **only** class in the school that did not watch Obama’s botched inauguration oath.
As for Catholic schooling, faithful Catholics would be wise to join with other parents, hire a teacher, and run their own one room school.
Eventually, I suspect the sole role of government will be as an accrediting entity, verifying the level of educational accomplishment based solely on results of standardized testing.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Why have that? For example, the SAT exams are privately administered and widely accepted as valid. Many professional licensing exams are privately administered and fully accepted as valid by state licensing agencies.
Fabulous! That was the point of my posting.
It took him ten years to write the book, and then he put it on-line for people to read for free. Great man.
You can search youtube for his video interviews. I think I’ve heard them all.
His speaking and writing is meandering and discursive, but as you say, he draws the right conclusions. On the plus side, it’s a style that’s easy to read, because it’s chock full of memorable anecdotes.
I don’t remember who it was, but a FReeper had a fantastic homepage with info about Margaret Sanger and Planned Parenthood.
I was going to copy it and put it on my home page, but didn’t at the moment — probably thought I was too busy.
Our loss.
The schools in China are government-run and Godless. Yet the students are learning advanced math and science. So government-run and atheistic are not the only problems. The problem is that our society does not value genuine education. Entertainment and sexual libertinism are the core of Western values at this time in history. In China and India, you will find strict discipline in the classroom much like we in America once had but thought was to harsh and strict for our poor, repressed kiddies. Add to that that China is a pretty homogenous society and not overrun with subcultures that have no regard for education.
Thank you for answering my question. Your answer is thorough and well written. I will have to spend some time thinking it through.
I have another question Is Mary referred to as the Queen of Heaven by the Catholic Church?
Teachers are rewarded/punished for their work. They are rewarded or punished for doing/not doing what they are told by their superiors. In terms of law, a teacher is a “mere employee.” He or she is no more nor no less secure in his/her job than any other worker. This varies from place to place, of course. A teacher who is a federal employee has more statutory rights than a teacher in most states. Union contracts increase those rights. But by and large, teachers who do what the boss demands, more or less, have the most security.
If Christ is king, the Mary is Queen(Mother) of heaven. In the Bible, we read that in the kingdom of Judah, the queen mother has considerable influence, as in the case of Bethsheba, the mother of Solomon. And why not? He owed his throne to her. As for Mary, God’s little joke on the mighty is that this humble woman, who was so poor she had to hunt frantically for a lost coin, ranks above them all. So we imagine her dressed up in this royal finery.
And its role in human life was insignificant, in terms of time and treasure. Few people were interested in it.
The ancient Greek schools were very informal, with students coming and going at will. Teaching was Socratic, i.e., in the form of question and answer. Socrates even rejected the professionalization of teaching, since he who pays the piper calls the tune.
Certainly, formal schooling existed within the Church, but it was largely for the formation of priests. The students were volunteers, and very small in number.
Until modern times, few rulers attempted compulsory schooling, because it was almost always resisted by wary parents.
With a handle like "St. Thomas Aquinas", you're going to tell me that even Catholic schooling is "bad".
The methodology of Catholic schooling today is bad. It is the methodology of nineteenth century schooling, the purpose of which "was to instill loyalty to the Crown and to train young men for the military and the bureaucracy," in accord with Fichte's dictum.
"If you want to influence [the student] at all, you must do more than merely talk to him; you must fashion him, and fashion him in such a way that he simply cannot will otherwise than what you wish him to will."The methodology is the message. Not the chalkboard lessons. It's easy to see why these schools quickly adopted the methodology of the behaviorists. Teacher colleges, including leading teacher colleges like Columbia, are the province of behaviorists to this day.
Sadly, Catholics adopted this model of schooling in response to several important societal movements in the nineteenth century.
Irish immigrants, who flooded the northeast following the potato famine, were regarded as a societal pestilence. To get the children of these immigrants off the streets, and to diminish the spread of Catholicism, many states implemented compulsory school attendance laws.
Because the existing schools were effectively Protestant, Catholics resisted. Bishops ordered the construction of schools for Catholic children, which mirrored the existing Protestant/Unitarian government schools.
To prevent tax dollars going to the support of these schools, many states attached Blaine amendments to their state constitutions, prohibiting the tax funding of private, i.e., Catholic, schools.
The methodology of compulsory schooling has remained largely unchanged since then, except for the elimination of every last vestige of Christianity.
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