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What’s really behind those FAA tower closures?
Hot Air.com ^ | March 23, 2013 | JAZZ SHAW

Posted on 03/23/2013 9:08:57 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Vaduz
Another notch on Obama’s fail poll.

When people realize that the "most painful" cuts go unnoticed, this will backfire on Zippy.

It's up to conservatives to spread the word.

21 posted on 03/23/2013 9:48:43 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

The one in Frederick MD was unmanned for 50 years...manned for 1. I couldn’t believe they had a person there at all.


22 posted on 03/23/2013 9:49:24 AM PDT by perez24 (Dirty deeds, done dirt cheap.)
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To: Kaslin

He probably wants a plane to crash so he can issue an EO to take more control. For the good of the children or something.


23 posted on 03/23/2013 9:50:41 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Kaslin

What I don’t get is why conservatives are whining and gnashing about everything they do cut. These cut are insignificant. If we can’t take this and much more, then we need to quit pretending we’re trying to fix spending.

We ought to be saying YES! Cut every unnecessary thing! Small airport towers and White House tours qualify. And next week we’ll cut more.


24 posted on 03/23/2013 9:51:02 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Kaslin

Near here, both Yakima and Pendleton closing. I know Pendleton had a near accident back in the 80s when the tower was closed and two opposing flights on final came pretty close.


25 posted on 03/23/2013 9:51:21 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: Alex Murphy

Everything Obama does is a reaction to Reagan. Reagan lives in Obama’s head rent free.


26 posted on 03/23/2013 9:52:36 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: BatGuano

I flew with a guy out of MacArthur Field on Long Island, which had a tower. He more or less completely ignored ATC. He jumped the line to land, and we were passed by a 727 on our port side about half a mile over at the same altitude. My pilot friend was asked to leave MacArthur and he went to smaller airport, where there was a mail slot for flight plans. Mostly only useful to determine where to expect the wreckage to wash up once your wife hadn’t heard from you in a couple of days.

Foxnews Boston interviewed local pilots at Norwood, another closed ATC tower, and they seemed completely unconcerned. The only one who seemed concerned was the ATC controller.


27 posted on 03/23/2013 9:53:41 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (What word begins with "O" and ends in economic collapse?)
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To: Kaslin
Air traffic control towers at nearly 150 airports across the nation are going to sit empty, forcing pilots to figure out safe landing procedures by a combination of the seats of their pants and furiously cracking open fortune cookies. In other words, you’re all going to die.

That's all BS. Pilots at airports around the country have been creating their own traffic patterns and separation for generations without trouble. Radios, Unicom and a head on a swivel still work.

28 posted on 03/23/2013 9:53:56 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: oldironsides
I don’t know why the airport never did succeed...

Because it is at a relatively high altitude, and thus, when everywhere else is VFR... Worcester is marginal or IFR, with its runways jutting into a cloud.

The earlier comment about flight plan filing is easy, drop in the mail is correct... if by that you mean e-mail...

To enter a flight plan, its as easy as pressing one key on an IPAD. To pick up or start a flight plan is easy as well... depart VFR if possible and radio in the air.... or a 2 minute (usually) phone call.

29 posted on 03/23/2013 9:54:27 AM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: oldironsides

There used to be a Goodyear Blimp stationed at Norwood. I can recall seeing it many times, apparently following Route 9 in Framingham. It covered most of the sporting events in the Northeast, like Giant’s games at Yankee Stadium or Redskins-Cowboys. Probably cheaper than anything in the New York area.


30 posted on 03/23/2013 9:57:12 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (What word begins with "O" and ends in economic collapse?)
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To: C210N

The only possible negative, among all the positives, of these closures is that some instrument approaches might change for the worse (ie, higher minimums). Due to being a non-tower, I’d surmise the procedures to getting a local barometric pressure might be a bit more remote, resulting in procedure changes... but this is so insignificant, compared to the savings of tax dollars.


31 posted on 03/23/2013 9:57:55 AM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: Kaslin
Federalism.

The Feds close a tower, the State opens it right back up using local people.

Same with meat inspections. You think you have the monopoly on competent people? You think we don't have our own Department of Agriculture?

You want to close all Federal wildlife areas/parks? We have State Park personnel that can move right into those jobs the next day.

Airport security? The National Guard did that job after 9/11 before there ever was a TSA.

You think you can browbeat the public into giving you what you want? Here's a flash for you, we don't need you.

I don't like being blackmailed by my own gov't, the States should break this strike.

32 posted on 03/23/2013 10:00:08 AM PDT by ZOOKER ( Exploring the fine line between cynicism and outright depression)
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To: Kaslin

I had three aircraft and all my days of flying I always felt safer at uncontrolled fields. Pilots when left to use the prescribed communication with other pilots using the same airspace are more aware of their surroundings than relying on controllers, using radar, to keep them informed. Keep your head out of your as@ and surveying the surrounding is much safer. And all pilots realize that their safety is in their hands follow the rules for uncontrolled fields. Big airports need control, but that are few compared to the vast number of small airports. I’ve had more problems with the controllers than other pilots.


33 posted on 03/23/2013 10:08:28 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: The Sons of Liberty

Don’t fall for this BS.

I learned to fly out of DTN. At the time the tower was not staffed. Two years later it was staffed, as the FAA realized that there were more operations from DTN, than SHV.

That said, DTN is losing the tower staff, and guess what? All operations will continue, both visual and instrument. Nobody will die, no planes will fall outta the sky


34 posted on 03/23/2013 10:13:02 AM PDT by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Indeed death by a thousand cuts.


35 posted on 03/23/2013 10:15:01 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Kaslin
It's got nothing to do with safety.
This is Obama, the ILLEGAL ALIEN IN CHIEF, throwing a temper tantrum.
I've got 5 years experience with the FAA and 26+ years military experience air traffic control.
It's about Union vs NON-Union jobs, and competition that shows Unions are a lousy way to go.
Read FAA to close 149 control towers to meet budget cuts and then go look at the FAA CONTRACT Tower Closure List document.
36 posted on 03/23/2013 10:18:53 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: The Sons of Liberty
I wonder how many crashes and casualties it will take before the public has had enough of Barry’s shenanigans?

I wonder what the communist agenda democrat party will do when it is discovered they are not needed everywhere?

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37 posted on 03/23/2013 10:21:21 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Don Corleone
That's all BS. Pilots at airports around the country have been creating their own traffic patterns and separation for generations without trouble. Radios, Unicom and a head on a swivel still work.

EXACTLY!!!

38 posted on 03/23/2013 10:31:41 AM PDT by Fast Moving Angel (A moral wrong is not a civil right: No religious sanction of an irreligious act.)
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To: C210N

At DTN the tower is staffed 12 hours per day. The minimums remain the same; 800 MSL for Localizer and RNAV, and 600 MSL for VOR approaches.

Barometric pressure is broadcast on the ASOS. I believe some VORs broadcast such info in remote areas of the country. You can also get info from Flight Service Station.


39 posted on 03/23/2013 10:33:03 AM PDT by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: steve86
Near here, both Yakima and Pendleton closing. I know Pendleton had a near accident back in the 80s when the tower was closed and two opposing flights on final came pretty close.


Pendleton Airport tower is already closed from 10 pm to 6 am.

http://www.airnav.com/airport/KPDT

I bet the incident you mention was a nightime incident. There appear to be no commercial flights in and only 54 operations a day.

Aircraft operations: avg 54/day *
48% transient general aviation
28% local general aviation
17% air taxi
6% military

It sounds like a good location to permanently remove the tower. It works out to a take-off OR a landing every 20 minutes on average...:^)

40 posted on 03/23/2013 10:35:36 AM PDT by az_gila
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