Skip to comments.Boy Scout leaders face controversy over gay leaders
Posted on 03/25/2013 8:59:32 AM PDT by white trash redneck
As the Boy Scouts of America ponder whether to allow gays to be Scout leaders, a number Scouting officials debated the issue Saturday morning in downtown Orlando.
At the end of that session, dozens of Scout leaders and parents staged a news conference to announce the formation of a Scout group opposed to allowing "open homosexuality" by adults in the Boy Scouts.
"The Boy Scouts are one of the great jewels of American culture," said John Stemberger, Eagle Scout and founder of OnMyHonor.net. "We support the current policy of scouting, which is backed by over 100 years of tradition and allows anyone to participate irrespective of sexual orientation, only disallowing the open and aggressive promotion of homosexuality and political agendas. When it comes to young boys, parents have the final say on the issues of sex and politics."
Stemberger is well-known in Florida as the leader of a 2008 constitutional amendment campaign defining marriage as being one man and one woman. At the news conference, OnMYHonor.net was announced as the name of the organization that opposes allowing gay adults to be Scout leaders.
Scout officials interviewed by WESH 2 News at the summit expressed opinions on both sides of the issue.
After debating the issue last month and deciding to give it more study, the BSA is scheduled to prepare a policy in April and for national delegates to vote on in May.
Needless to say, the progressives would be horrified at the idea of heterosexual adult males being Girl Scoutmasters, and yet how is a gay Boy Scoutmaster any different - an adult in authority over a young person who represents the focus of his sexual orientation.
And of course those same progressives who mock the Catholic church over the activities of the pedophile priests will mock the Boy Scouts over the activities of pedophile scoutmasters (whom the progressives forced the Scouts to accept!).
Hmmmm.... Should the Boy Scouts let homosexual scout leaders take little boys off into the woods, or shouldn’t they?
Hmmm... What a conundrum!
Let’s ask Jerry Sandusky what he thinks!
The libs claim that two same-sex partners make the ideal parents, unlike (what they call) the failed Mom-dad model.
Its just too bad that nature discriminates by not allowing them natural conseption and childbirth.
isnt their something the courts can do about that to ‘even the playing field’?
Its only a “controversy” if they make it one.
Just say NO. The firmer you are, the less the leftists and homos will try and sway you.
As the Boy Scouts of America ponder whether to allow grown men with a behavioral disorder that causes them center their lives around a desire sodomize each other to be Scout leaders,
There fixed it. NOW ask the question.
Please don’t cave . . . protect your scouts . . . please ignore these sodomites and sodomite lovers. Please.
It may sound a bit cliche but we really need to send the boy scout leaders our prayers. It is no easy thing in the current culture to stand for what is right and true. The political and economic pressures to conform to popular depravity is extreme. Pray for them.
I agree w you 100%. I have posted that before myself.
As the father of a 13-year-old scout, I know where I stand on this issue. Not interested in any gay leadership of scout troops, thanks.
seems like the homosexuals were going to come out with this pro-abuse group regardless and the MSM was doing its best propaganda effort.
What are any homosexuals or their ilk doing around any scout?
just be sure that the next lawsuit against the BSA caused by a sexual predator includes these douchebags in those having to pony up cash.
Just because I'm male, I should not be disqualified.
This is the key. It is no secret that there are gay men in leadership positions in scouts. However, it is somewhat secretive, in that they don't run around teaching homosexuality, or openly declaring their right to do what they want in scouting.
There are also gay scouts. I can remember no time in scouting where a scout has ever been asked what their sexual preference was. We don't talk about it, it is not part of the scouting lore or teaching. We don't talk about it, we don't teach kids how to use condoms, or deal with the issues of homosexuality.
But we are told that to not openly support gayness is to make gays "2nd class citizens". Screw that. I was not ever considered to be a center for a basketball team, or a goalie in soccer, or a quarterback in football. Does that make me a "2nd-class citizen"? There were a whole range of scholarships that were closed to my daughter, because she was not the right race, or the right gender-association. Does that make her a 2nd-class citizen? My son could not be in the girl scouts -- is he 2nd-class now?
There are so many characteristics of individuals, that if we tried to make sure that NONE of those characteristics were "discriminated against", we'd never really be able to accomplish anything. Currently there is an entire class of Boy Scout activity my son cannot participate in (which included the Jamboree) because he simply is too huge for his size, and doesn't meet the "BMI" index. This even though he had no trouble doing a 4-day 185-mile backpacking bike trek, and a 10-day wilderness Alaskan rafting trip.
The risk is real, but if the scouts needed to be "all-inclusive", they would have to cancel these activities for ALL scouts, in order to not be "excluding" scouts who were at risk if they were allowed to participate.
We had an openly gay politician RUNNING FOR OFFICE as an openly gay democrat, who as part of his campaign bragged about being a cub scout pack leader. So it seems that being gay is NOT really something that keeps you from being a scout leader.
I was scouting in the 50's and 60's and ;
1, A queer wouldn't even be in the parish my scout membership based,
2, My father, and any father I can remember from back then, would'a, at the least, beat the faggot to within an inch of his life if he ever tried to be in an official capacity around boys,
3, A couple of those fathers would'a just shot him.
50 years ... so much has happened.
> Hmmm. I wonder where I can apply to be a Girl Scout leader?
> Just because I’m male, I should not be disqualified.
It’s only a matter of time. I’m surprised it hasn’t been made an issue already.
Soon, the legal proscriptions against paedophilia and even incest and bestiality will be eliminated. You will be able to have sex with whoever or whatever you want whenever you want, as long as it’s “consensual”.
Since the government school collectives teach that marriage is little more than government sanctioned sex, once the government sanctions every kind of sex with every kind of person or animal or object, marriage will not be necessary.
I donated to the Scouts last year....got an e-mail survey last week with a link...asked me all sorts of “hypothetical” questions...what if a sodomite were a Scout in a church where sodomy was celebrated, would that be okay?
I said no.
The final question had to do with whether I would give money again if the BSA celebrated sodomy. No was my emphatic answer.
The Boy Scouts of America are being bullied and threatened by the Politically Correct, NAMBLIA, “ Gay Carpetbaggers” etc. to jettison their values....JUST A MINUTE!!!! Straight men and boys have rights also and don’t forget it. The Boy Scouts of America does not have to entertain Gay Rights to remain viable....being Straight is also a Right!
True words indeed. I would like to add what I had stated on a previous post dealing with this matter. The homosexual might be aware of the career ruining incidents of other homosexuals. He may be determined to avoid giving in to his perverted desires. If he is among others, in the general run of society, there is always a deterrent of sorts.
Once completely alone and in charge for hours at a time, even days, the temptation is thus increased ten fold. It only makes sense imho. That is why the courts forbid perverts to frequent playgrounds and other areas, where there are kids.
only 100 years of tradition?
we’re already having a hard time fighting the lesbians and gays on marriage which has a 1000’s of years of tradition.
we need some help here, maybe some new HIV that works on women. (/sarc)
Hmmmmm, sounds a bit like “bullying” in the good old days!
And there you have it...
There's only one logical reason for gay men to demand access to my kids. Absolutely nothing good can come of this.
Frankly, I'm astonished that there's even anything to debate, here.
The republican candidate for president in 2012, has supported homosexual Scout masters for 20 years, and restated it during the campaign.
The BSA should created a branch for GAYS... the G/TSA: The Gay Transgendered Scouts of Anti-Americanism. (The Liberals might not like it, thou)
I'll be sure to vote against him in the upcoming 2012 presidential campaign. Good thing you're warning us before the election instead of bringing it up long after the election is over and he's no longer running.
Words fail me.
It is easy to see where you stand on this position, since I just pointed out that the republican party embraced it in 2012 with their nominee, and that set off your response defending the GOP’s choice.
This really p*sses me off. Excuse the language but the question should never have been asked.
Homosexuals are pedophiles....my congregation says no homo or gay will be allowed in the boy scout troop of which I am a Scoutmaster. If approached by one, I would and will refuse him membership into the organization...We leaders have to go through a back ground check by the BSA, and law officials be fore we can be a leader, for this reason to protect the youth from these filthy vermin, call gays, homosexuals, or pedophiles.
Show me any post where I said "Mitt Romney was a fantastic choice for the GOP and I'm glad they nominated him", and your bizarre rants might make sense.
THAT is a bizarre rant.
THIS is a very relevant political observation to make on this thread in regards to the GOP and their standing on this issue. “”The republican candidate for president in 2012, has supported homosexual Scout masters for 20 years, and restated it during the campaign.””
It is if you've gotten in your time machine and you're posting on a thread in Oct. 2012. But if it's March 2013, your post is as "relevant" as if you were to chime in on a thread about bailouts and point out "1976 Republican Party nominee Gerald Ford refused to bail out New York City" or mention on a thread about tax hikes "1992 Republican Party nominee George H. Bush lied about taxes"
I don’t really understand why you remain so obsessively defensive of Mitt Romney several months after the election.
This thread is about the push to homosexualize the Scouts, something that the recent GOP candidate has advocated for almost 20 years, that issue has obviously not disappeared since the nominee’s defeat.
On a political forum made up largely of republican voters and potential voters knowing where the GOP is in regards to this issue, is important.
This is a political forum, not an LSD club where the platform and positions of the presidential candidate of 5 months ago is too distant to be relevant to us or even to be mentioned in your presence.
Again, show me ANY comment where I defended Mitt Romney's nomination and said he was a great candidate, and your continuous attacks on me would make logical sense.
I really don't understand why you remain so obsessively devoted to taking about Mitt Romney candidacy several months after the election. Yes, we know he's a liberal RINO with no principles. We also know Chris Shays, Connie Morella, and Jim Jeffords are RINOs with no principles, but you don't talk about them every thread and pretend they're still on the ballot and their liberal positions will make any difference now that they're in the private sector.
All it took to send you off on your raging Romney defense was this simple post.
“To: white trash redneck
The republican candidate for president in 2012, has supported homosexual Scout masters for 20 years, and restated it during the campaign.
25 posted on 3/25/2013 10:54:13 AM by ansel12”
And you still seem fit to be tied over that observation.
I agree. Unfortunately, you are not talking about where "the GOP" stands on this issue. If you did, you'd be constantly bringing up statements from Reince Pribeus and the Republican National Platform. Instead, you constantly obsess about where one particular Republican stands on this issue, and that candidate is no longer even running for office. Again, why not obsess about where George H. Bush stands on this issue since you feel bringing up past failed candidates no longer in power somehow pertains to where "the GOP" stands on this issue? How about "informing" us about Dan Quayle's position on the boy scouts? Maybe Arnold Schwarzenegger? He's a pretty well known RINO , too.
Again, show me one single statement where I defended Romney's position. Still waiting.
You are angry and defending Romney, and insisting that his position on homosexualizing the Boy Scouts not be brought up.
You might want to look at your posts and notice that you are really acting bizarre, and it is all about Romney.
If you are indifferent to him, then quit bugging me.
The republican candidate for president in 2012, has supported homosexual Scout masters for 20 years, and restated it during the campaign. THIS is a very relevant political observation to make on this thread in regards to the GOP and their standing on this issue
I agree that it is bizarre that this is even being discussed.
The question went all the way to the Supreme Court and the Boy Scouts won.
Ignore the perverts who are slobbering to be with little boys.
Which is why after asking you FIVE times, you have yet to cite a SINGLE quote from me where I "defended Romney". Instead I've referred to him repeatedly as a RINO and untrustworthy. I was one of the very few freepers NOT to drink the Romney kool-aid and hop on his bandwagon after Fred Thompson dropped out in 2008. Yeah, there's some huge support for Romney all right, I'm sure his campaign team will hire me any day now. If you want to see "bizarre posts" and "obsessed with Romney", look in the mirror buddy.
>> and insisting that his position on homosexualizing the Boy Scouts not be brought up. <<
You can bring it up all you want. Nobody is stopping you. The only thing I insisted is that NOBODY CARES about it except nuts obsessed with him like you.
>> You might want to look at your posts and notice that you are really acting bizarre, and it is all about Romney. <<
Hmmm. Looking at my posting history, the ONLY time I ever mentioned Romney is in response to your crazy "Romney's position on gay marriage is extremely relevant long after the election is over" posts. The other 95% of my posts on FR have nothing to do with Romney, because unlike you, I've figured out he's irrelevant. Epic fail.
>> The republican candidate for president in 2012, has supported homosexual Scout masters for 20 years, and restated it during the campaign. THIS is a very relevant political observation to make on this thread in regards to the GOP and their standing on this issue <<
I disagree, since Romney is out of the spotlight now and nobody gives a rat's @$$ about the position this loser took during his ill-fated campaign except you. If the media was talking about 24/7 like you, then your insane fantasy world might make sense.
>> If you are indifferent to him, then quit bugging me. <<
Fair enough. Have fun screaming "Romney Romney Romney" to your invisible audience. I won't be commenting anymore.
For a guy who doesn’t care, and who isn’t defending Romney, you have post after post, after post of doing nothing else but caring about Romney and rather rabidly going to bat for him as you attack criticism of him.
If you want to talk so much about Romney, then I am perfectly happy to oblige you.
As the most prominent republican to be in favor of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts, in history, Mitt Romney is just the guy to be talking about as we try and figure out if the Romney/Rove wing of the GOP support or oppose conservative efforts to protect the Boy Scouts.
I say Romney supports homosexualizing the Boy Scouts, what do you say? All I have to go one is his statements on his position on the issue, what do you have?
The Boy Scouts need our support. And for us (all of us) to leave them alone to an extent.
With the provision, we must be very alert to keep them strong and independent. And straight.
I support the BSA.