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Claim: Germany Spends $110 Billion to Delay Global Warming by 37 Hours
Weekly Standard ^ | March 30, 2013 | DANIEL HALPER

Posted on 03/30/2013 7:51:21 AM PDT by grundle

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To: abclily

It was never vetted scientifically. People think that science is too complicated for most people so they trust the “scientists.” Scientists are treat like all knowing religious leaders.


21 posted on 03/30/2013 10:29:54 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: dhs12345

Scientists generally view it as other scientists actually knowing.


22 posted on 03/30/2013 10:41:09 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: lepton
One thing that was never discussed is what are the accuracies of the computer models and the data fed into those models.

Apparently, the models are diverging from reality. Well duh! Apparently, it isn't a done deal.

‘”The global temperature standstill shows that climate models are diverging from observations,” says David Whitehouse of the Global Warming Policy Foundation.’

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/twenty-year-hiatus-in-rising-temperatures-has-climate-scientists-puzzled/story-e6frg6z6-1226609140980

23 posted on 03/30/2013 10:53:12 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Jeff Chandler

Kumbaya...


24 posted on 03/30/2013 10:54:23 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: dhs12345

“Those who don’t believe in God don’t believe in nothing, but will believe in anything.” - (I can’t remember who)


25 posted on 03/30/2013 10:56:42 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: EEGator

How true.


26 posted on 03/30/2013 11:00:35 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: dhs12345

‘”The global temperature standstill shows that climate models are diverging from observations,” says David Whitehouse of the Global Warming Policy Foundation.’
________________

Saying it this way sounds like he expects reality to change to match the model!


27 posted on 03/30/2013 11:13:08 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act - Orwell)
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To: Personal Responsibility

Exactly. Lol.

Scientists are gods after all. They make reality match their theories.

Hey, wait a minute, wasn’t that what “hide the decline” was all about?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Thgtezzod7k


28 posted on 03/30/2013 11:18:56 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: dhs12345

Lesson:
1. The sun is a million times larger than the earth.
2. The sun is a ball of fire.
3. The earth is a rock.
4. The earth is a speck in size in comparison to the sun.
5. Inhabitants of the earth are less than specks.

Study Question:
1. How do less than specks plan to control the sun?


29 posted on 03/30/2013 11:51:37 AM PDT by abclily
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To: abclily
5. Inhabitants of the earth are less than specks.

About the size of Mickey Rooney.

30 posted on 03/30/2013 11:53:01 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: ClearCase_guy

I wonder how we will be able to tell if they were successful with the delay. I’m thinking that they did so much already that they could halt all operations and discover that global warming has been delayed “indefinitely”.


31 posted on 03/30/2013 11:56:23 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: abclily
Lol. Ironically, your “logic” would make sense to these scientists.

Actually, the sun is a “comfy 70 degrees Fahrenheit.” So not to worry.

Slide to 1:41.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuZ7NoIz0Zc

32 posted on 03/30/2013 11:59:59 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: dhs12345

Funny!


33 posted on 03/30/2013 1:43:02 PM PDT by abclily
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To: dhs12345

… And the Paleochronologists know that their primary proxies diverge from observations as well. And the statisticians know that the biologists are not applying the calculations correctly. and the meteorologists know that the warming isn’t occurring in the right places to tie what warming there is been to CO2. and the archaeologists know that it is clearly been warmer in the past than it is now... and so forth…

… But each differs to the others without knowing the flaws in the adjoining areas of expertise.


34 posted on 03/30/2013 4:38:08 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: lepton

There has been

It has clearly

Defers

… And the Paleochronologists know that their primary proxies diverge from observations as well. And the statisticians know that the biologists are not applying the calculations correctly. and the meteorologists know that the warming isn’t occurring in the right places to tie what warming there has been to CO2. and the archaeologists know that it has clearly been warmer in the past than it is now... and so forth…

… But each defers to the others because “there are many lines of evidence”without knowing the flaws in the adjoining areas of expertise.


35 posted on 03/30/2013 4:42:50 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: grundle

Former climate skeptic Bjorn Lomberg,


He has never been a skeptic. He has always been a warmist. Why the left hates him so much is because he believes too much money is being wasted on trying to stop climate change and the money could be better used to make sure everyone has drinking water, etc.


36 posted on 03/31/2013 7:52:38 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: lepton

Each would know that any type of modeling is subject to error.

Climate models are created from theories (approximations) and highly complicated, interdependent, nonlinear systems. That doesn’t account for the massive scale of Earth’s climate system.

Now for the data. How accurate is the data? Was it taken near heat islands. Is the data skewed because lack of precision of the equipment, knowledge of the person taking the measurements, equipment calibration, etc. etc. I suggest that current methods are crude at best.

Question to anyone modeling a system — what is your estimate of the precision of your measurements and models? How would that manifest itself in errors short term and long term. Are the models and data accurate enough to bet the future of our economy and well being on them?


37 posted on 03/31/2013 9:29:09 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: dhs12345

“Each would know that any type of modeling is subject to error.”

To be clear, I’m not making an assumption here on their assumptions. I talk with a lot of midling-layer scientists. Most of them I speak to seem generally aware of the flaws and things that need to be worked out in their own field. But they appear completely unaware - and unbelieving – that it’s not just their own field.

It is very much like “the Emperor’s new clothes”. They just can’t believe the audacity involved.


38 posted on 03/31/2013 10:20:05 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: EEGator

GK Chesterton?


39 posted on 03/31/2013 9:25:17 PM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: P.O.E.

Correct.


40 posted on 04/01/2013 1:31:37 AM PDT by EEGator
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