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What would happen if Obama lost his fight for gun control?
The Washington Examiner ^ | 3 April, 2013 | Brian Hughes

Posted on 04/04/2013 7:54:04 AM PDT by marktwain

White House officials are now openly conceding that President Obama's gun control package could die on Capitol Hill, a development analysts said would cast a pall over the president's second-term agenda and weaken his leverage with Republicans.

The president's trek to Denver on Wednesday was his latest attempt to regain momentum on the issue of gun violence, on which Obama has so far failed to close a deal despite a substantial investment of political capital.

"There doesn't have to be a conflict between protecting our citizens and protecting our Second Amendment rights," Obama said, surrounded by law enforcement officers in the Colorado capital.

But an overwhelming number of Republicans and a handful of red-state Democrats aren't buying that message.

Unlike immigration, which the White House views as a political winner even if the GOP kills reforms, new gun restrictions don't enjoy the same level of support along party lines. Obama can't merely bank on painting Republicans as obstructionists for political gain, analysts said.

"I don't think Republicans would lose the House [in 2014] simply because they blocked the president's gun initiatives," said Nathan Gonzales, deputy editor of the nonpartisan Rothenberg Political Report.

And from a policy perspective, this may represent Obama's last, best shot to achieve the types of firearms laws long rebuffed by the powerful gun lobby in Washington.

"It has to be done this calendar year -- and that's being generous," Gonzales added.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonexaminer.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; election; guncontrol; obama; secondamendment
"There doesn't have to be a conflict between protecting our citizens and protecting our Second Amendment rights," Obama said,

Notice the absolutely Orwellian statement. It is absolutely true, but what President Obama is pushing does exactly the opposite of what is said.

The legislation that he is promoting not only puts the U.S. further on the path to rendering the Second Amendment meaningless and toothless, but makes citizens less safe than they currently are.

1 posted on 04/04/2013 7:54:04 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Wouldn’t bother him a bit. The sock puppet’s handlers would write another executive order and make the idiot sign it.

There is very little, if anything, left of our Constitution.


2 posted on 04/04/2013 7:57:22 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: marktwain
What would happen if Obama lost his fight for gun control?

PARTY?

3 posted on 04/04/2013 7:57:48 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: marktwain

He’d go on tv, cry, and blubber “Shame on the shameful shammy pants Republicans”.


4 posted on 04/04/2013 7:57:52 AM PDT by DManA
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To: marktwain

Americans, in general, are stupid, and will be busy with their iphones as their liberties are taken away.


5 posted on 04/04/2013 7:58:16 AM PDT by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: laweeks

Obama could care less , he’s using gun control as a fund raising tool


6 posted on 04/04/2013 8:03:20 AM PDT by molson209
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To: marktwain

For those of you unversed on the complete idiocy of Colorado liberals, please (other than Google) Diana DeGette - a Colorado bimbo of unbelievable stupidity even for a progressive bimbo and read/listen with this “thing” has to say about guns.

Also, you can get KHOW (a Denver radio station) on their website, look up Peter Boyles’ radio show, and get videos of this utterly clueless idiotess illustrating what we have to deal with when we deal with progressives.

It is not describable using words allowed on this blog.

Really.


7 posted on 04/04/2013 8:06:01 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: marktwain
That is why Obama up the rhetoric about Pelosi being the House Speaker again, that ‘’I could get a whole lot more done’... (Washington Examiner)

This wedge issue is going to be main focus for 2014 mid-term.

8 posted on 04/04/2013 8:08:16 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: marktwain
Gun confiscation enables tyranny.

Simple, he won't be enabled.

9 posted on 04/04/2013 8:08:59 AM PDT by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Republicans create the tools of oppression and Democrats use them.)
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To: Sir Napsalot
This wedge issue is going to be main focus for 2014 mid-term.

We can only hope. Its a disastrous issue for them.
10 posted on 04/04/2013 8:10:57 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: marktwain
There doesn't have to be a conflict between protecting our citizens and protecting our Second Amendment rights...

President You Didn't Build That didn't dare say, "There isn't a conflict," but the much weaker, hypothetic, "There doesn't have to be a conflict." If I couldn't write a better speech than that, I'd sit down and shut up.

11 posted on 04/04/2013 8:12:28 AM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: marktwain

Well, when we’re like the UK and Australia and are allowed only a Joe Biden approved double barrel shotgun, the Orwellean statement makes sense.


12 posted on 04/04/2013 8:12:56 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: marktwain
What would happen if Obama lost hid fight on gun control?
13 posted on 04/04/2013 8:14:22 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: marktwain

What would happen?

Thousands of children will die every day.


14 posted on 04/04/2013 8:14:53 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: marktwain
"There doesn't have to be a conflict between protecting our citizens and protecting our Second Amendment rights," Obama said,

Just as long as those on the Right lay down and capitulate like their Party constantly does, there will be no conflict.

15 posted on 04/04/2013 8:16:37 AM PDT by Teacher317 (sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast)
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To: cripplecreek

It may be a losing issue for them, but they WILL cheat to win.


16 posted on 04/04/2013 8:18:59 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: marktwain; NFHale; Gilbo_3

If he cant get even universal background checks out of Reid Senate you will see his approval dip even further because the libs who worshipped the victorious hero from Nov to ~ February will be very demoralized and split over the failure when they were SOOO sure Obama had this ‘in the bag’, much like GOP was a mess in January.

Mathews was ALREADY blaming it on Obama this week/.
Will only get better!


17 posted on 04/04/2013 8:21:16 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: marktwain

DemocRATS never admit losing, they just haven’t won yet. They got the tar beat out of them in the 94 elections due to gun control so they put it on the shelf for a few decades. As soon as they see an opportunity, its back again.


18 posted on 04/04/2013 8:23:33 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: marktwain

Republicans could win big in 2014.

Of course, they’ll make sure this doesn’t happen...


19 posted on 04/04/2013 8:24:16 AM PDT by Empire_of_Liberty
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To: marktwain

Nothing would happen, he would just do it another way. Communists never quit.


20 posted on 04/04/2013 8:24:57 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: Fresh Wind

True. TRUE.

And eventually hundreds of thousands of people will die across the globe!


21 posted on 04/04/2013 8:28:39 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: marktwain

**** this may represent Obama’s last, best shot to achieve the types of firearms laws long rebuffed by the powerful gun lobby in Washington.****

No it doesn’t. If the law is not passed the following things will happen.

A tougher gun control law will be prepared and set aside.

A mental patient will be released from an insane asylum.

He will legally get a gun on the “to be banned” list by passing the NICS and local state checks.

He will get extended magazines on the “to be banned” list.

He will get ammo.

He will go on a killing spree.

He will then kill himself.

The set aside bill to ban guns will be brought out and passed in the heat of passion, with a backup of giving billions to the states as a bait to pass the bill.

It has happened in the past. This is how Pat Purdy got his guns to shoot up the Stockton school yard, then the California AW ban, which was already prepared, was passed in the heat of passion.


22 posted on 04/04/2013 8:30:33 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (The murals in OKC are destroyed.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Is anybody, even, seriously and successfully, finding out about how much cheating was, actually, going on, during the ‘12 U.S. general election as well as during all other elections, in ‘13 and before ‘13 and to the best of human abilities? There’s, at the very least, the possibility of cheating going on, during ALL ELECTIONS, at every political level, to each and every political office, going back to the very beginning, IMHO. It’s like trying to keep track of each and every moment in existence where somebody-an individual or a group-was, actually, being unconstitutional, from day one of the existence of the U.S. Constitution all the way up to the, actual, end of the world.


23 posted on 04/04/2013 8:31:21 AM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (The world continues to be stuck in a "all leftist, all of the time" funk. BUNK THE FUNK!)
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To: marktwain
What would happen if Obama lost his fight for gun control?

Nothing. We're still stuck with him for another 4 years.

Besides, based on the lack of action coming out of the Congress, he's basically already lost.

Next non-story.

24 posted on 04/04/2013 8:35:22 AM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for anti-American criminals!!)
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To: marktwain
He'd take another vacation.

He'd take one if he won, too.

25 posted on 04/04/2013 8:41:19 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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26 posted on 04/04/2013 8:48:34 AM PDT by deoetdoctrinae (The Old White Flag Republicans can go straight to He// and take their pal Obama with them!)
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To: johnthebaptistmoore
Simple answer, no.

The Left figured there was nothing we the people can do to stop them. They were/are right.

Up to certain point. I think the time for reckoning is soon upon us.

27 posted on 04/04/2013 8:49:34 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: marktwain

He lost the fight anyways.


28 posted on 04/04/2013 8:56:12 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
I still hesitate to entertain the idea that even the Chicago machine would actively participate in a massacre in order to achieve their goals, but as for the rest, I agree 100%.

Even at their most innocent, the bills will be prepared and tuned, propaganda will be prepared, and they will wait expectantly for one crazy person, somewhere, to snap.

If they actually are involved in a massacre, then we're way past that awkward stage.

29 posted on 04/04/2013 8:56:14 AM PDT by Sender (It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
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To: marktwain

“The president’s trek to Denver on Wednesday was his latest attempt to regain momentum on the issue of gun violence, on which Obama has so far failed to close a deal despite a substantial investment of political capital.”

Guess he and his libtard buddies are going to have to stage another mass shooting of children to get public sympathy behind him.

To him and the majority of liberals, they would murder a million children to get their way. In fact they do murder over a million children with abortion, so using bullets wouldn’t be a stretch for them.


30 posted on 04/04/2013 9:00:05 AM PDT by History Repeats (sic transit gloria mundi)
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To: molson209
Obama could care less

Actually, he could NOT care less....

31 posted on 04/04/2013 9:11:21 AM PDT by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: Lou L
about 3 1/2 years until the next election. Less than 2 1/2 or so until election 2016 starts getting going.

6 months until the run-up to the midterms.

Basically, this is his last chance to push anything through.

Thank your lucky stars he's focused on this as the clock ticks away and not amnesty.

32 posted on 04/04/2013 9:19:31 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Sender; All
“If they actually are involved in a massacre, then we're way past that awkward stage.”

Fast and Furious (AKA Gunwalker) was pretty close. The ATF officials who designed it were joyful everytime those guns were used in crime in Mexico. At least 500 were killed with those weapons.

You could argue that those deaths would have happened anyway. But it is not much of a step from being complicit in massacres for political purposes to actively designing them.

33 posted on 04/04/2013 9:39:28 AM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: TexasFreeper2009; All

“Thank your lucky stars he’s focused on this as the clock ticks away and not amnesty.”

I thank God that he is *not* focused, and *not* a hard worker. If he had the drive and work ethic of a Hitler or even a Chavez, we would be in far worse shape.

Without the incredible, slavish, support of the MSM, he would be nothing.


34 posted on 04/04/2013 9:42:35 AM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain

What would happen if King Obozo loses his gun control fight? Freedom is what will happen! King Obozo can kiss me where the good Lord split me!


35 posted on 04/04/2013 9:47:33 AM PDT by southernerwithanattitude (New and Improved Redneck!)
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To: mountainlion

he d do another false flag newtown op somewhere else. then have all the goat democrats bleat about how republicans are to blame for it.

predictable.


36 posted on 04/04/2013 10:32:20 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I’d doubt they would do another Sandy Hoax....the few intrepid conspiracist have made that little episode into a comedy....too bad many pro 2nd A and anti-leftist failed to join in and do more because of terminal PCness.


37 posted on 04/04/2013 10:48:47 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: marktwain
He would start signing EO’s and dare the courts to tell him to stop.

Illinois/Chicago politics on the national scale.

Stop assuming that the law means anything to this guy.

38 posted on 04/04/2013 10:56:57 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: brownsfan

“...Americans, in general, are stupid, and will be busy with their iphones as their liberties are taken away...”

Absolutely correct - the only thing I would add is that it’s basically already just about a done deal (the totalitarian state) and the people who elected Obama are going to be shocked when they wake up (if they wake up) and realize the destruction he has wreaked - ALREADY, not in the future.


39 posted on 04/04/2013 11:04:10 AM PDT by stonehouse01 (Equal rights for unborn women)
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To: Empire_of_Liberty
“Republicans could win big in 2014.”

So far as I have seen, the elite, establishment, inner Beltway RINOs are at war with the TEA Party and conservatives. They have made alliance with the Donkeys so they can rule over Americans to preserve their perks. The RINO consultants like Karl “Tokyo” Rove and Steve “hate Palin” Schmidt want to: (1) maximize the money they make from ineffective PACs and (2) make sure their fellow Donkeys stay in the power sharing partnership with them.

If Republicans are to be successful, the Quislings in the Republican Party must be purged and sent to the showers with the Libs and Donkeys.

40 posted on 04/04/2013 3:01:28 PM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: marktwain
Obama would be so inconsolable — if he fails on UN and domestic gun grabs — that he defects to Kenya [or Nicaragua or Venezuela or Cuba or Zimbabwe or South Africa].
41 posted on 04/04/2013 5:06:53 PM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: marktwain
weaken his leverage with Republicans.

Any republican that allows this retard leverage deserves his fate.

42 posted on 04/04/2013 7:24:22 PM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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