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North Carolina Lawmakers Seek To Establish Official State Religion
CBS Charlotte ^ | 04/03/2012 | AP

Posted on 04/04/2013 12:32:35 PM PDT by SatinDoll

(Following is a brief summary of the article's contents)

Raleigh, North Carolina -

Two North Carolina legislators introduced a state resolution asserting the State of North Carolina can make its own laws regarding the establishment of religion.

[See the article for further details.]


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: 14thamendment; 1stamendment; constitution; constitutionreligion; ncreligion; religion; religiousfreedom; republican; statereligion; teaparty
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WOW! Has this got the liberals and progressives panties in a twist.

Don't miss reading the article or the accompanying comments.

Everyone knows what the U.S.Constitution states about the establishment of religion. This flies right in the face of that, and liberals are, ahem, upset.

I suspect it is being done to purposely goad the BHO2 administration, which has flagrantly violated the Constitution.

1 posted on 04/04/2013 12:32:35 PM PDT by SatinDoll
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To: SatinDoll

Agree, my thoughts also.

May as well start the real wars with the liberals, because - like Muslims - they’ll concede to nothing but unstoppable force.


2 posted on 04/04/2013 12:35:52 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: SatinDoll

Agree, my thoughts also.

May as well start the real wars with the liberals, because - like Muslims - they’ll concede to nothing but unstoppable force.


3 posted on 04/04/2013 12:36:26 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: SatinDoll

Doesn’t the law against the establishment of religion only apply to the nation as a whole? Has it been decided that it applies to state governments? This will be interesting.


4 posted on 04/04/2013 12:36:28 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: SatinDoll

Just give BHO an in, and he’ll establish shariah...


5 posted on 04/04/2013 12:36:36 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: SatinDoll

The US Constitution says that CONGRESS cannot establish a state religion. It is silent on the individual states’ choice in that regard. Well, other than the “all other rights are reserved to the states or the people”...


6 posted on 04/04/2013 12:36:45 PM PDT by Don W (There is no gun problem, there is a lack of humanity problem!)
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To: SatinDoll
Everyone knows what the U.S.Constitution states about the establishment of religion...

By the federal government. The whole intent was to allow the sovereign states the ability to make their own state religions without it being dictated from the federal government.

However, the 14th Amendment is generally construed to mean that anything specifically prohibited to the federal government is also prohibited to government at all levels. (Of course, they always try to avoid applying anything to a true 2nd Amendment test.)

7 posted on 04/04/2013 12:39:04 PM PDT by kevkrom (If a wise man has an argument with a foolish man, the fool only rages or laughs...)
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To: SatinDoll

This is not a federal Constitutional issue. The right to establish a state religion is left specifically up to the state. There is nothing in the federal Constitution that precludes states from establishing a state church.


8 posted on 04/04/2013 12:39:55 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Better the devil we can destroy than the Judas we must tolerate.)
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WOW! Has this got the liberals and progressives panties in a twist.

Not as long as it's islam, communism or some other anti-American religion...

9 posted on 04/04/2013 12:39:57 PM PDT by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Republicans create the tools of oppression and Democrats use them.)
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To: Don W; Viennacon

Using your reasoning, there would be nothing to stop the establishment of Islamic domination in several states.

Do you really like that idea?


10 posted on 04/04/2013 12:41:48 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: SatinDoll
In my opinion this is flat-out allowed under the Constitution. If this were to come before the Supreme Court, and they were to read the First Amendement: "Congreess shall make no law ..." and then conclude: "the state of South Carolina is barred from doing this" then it is well and truly time to throw in the towel. The laws, as written, would mean nothing -- we would clearly have only rulership of powerful men who seek to control us as slaves.

And we've dealt with that before.

11 posted on 04/04/2013 12:42:15 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The ballot box is a sham. Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: Hardraade

Yes, that’s my thinking as well.


12 posted on 04/04/2013 12:42:36 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: SatinDoll

I wasn’t reasoning, I was just wondering if this had come up before. You’re right though.


13 posted on 04/04/2013 12:43:35 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Louis Foxwell

You want to live in a state that has Islam as the state religion? Shariah, anyone?


14 posted on 04/04/2013 12:44:07 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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I don't like that idea but it definitely falls under the old Voltaire quote: "I may not like what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

If my state wants to establish Islam as a state religion, then they can do so. I wouldn't like it, but my only option would be to move to a different state. That is the very nature of our federal republic.

15 posted on 04/04/2013 12:44:56 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The ballot box is a sham. Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: SatinDoll

Only applies to Fed Gov. At time of ratification several states had official state religions.


16 posted on 04/04/2013 12:46:30 PM PDT by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: SatinDoll

Not my reasoning, it’s the way the document is written.


17 posted on 04/04/2013 12:48:38 PM PDT by Don W (There is no gun problem, there is a lack of humanity problem!)
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To: Kozak

And how many of them still have official state religions? How about Utah, do they have the Church of LDS as an official state religion?


18 posted on 04/04/2013 12:48:44 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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Well, other than the “all other rights are reserved to the states or the people”...

Common error. It says all other 'powers', not rights (ie, there is no such thing a State's Rights, but instead, State's Powers). Rights are considered inalienable. This has long been an internal conflict both on the right and left in terms of how they view rights and powers. Are rights something that can be infringed upon by any level of government or are they inalienable to the individual. Traditionally Conservatives have been on the side of the latter with only extreme 'States Rights(sic)' type folks (those who think States have the rights to do anything, period). States having the power to trump individual rights is the side the left has often fallen on. A good example is the Heller decision where they argued that States (or in this case DC) had the right to infringe upon 2nd Amendment rights.

Generally as a rule though, Conservatives always should come down on the side of rights as being inalienable to the individual and not to be trampled upon by any governmental authority, be it Federal, State, or Local.

19 posted on 04/04/2013 12:49:42 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: SatinDoll

I think this may be a tactical move to cause a SCOTUS decision confirming the Bill of Rights means what it says.

Of course, librals will find the action anathema. (Pun intended.)

Long-term (several years) this could serve to strengthen the Bill of Rights.


20 posted on 04/04/2013 12:49:52 PM PDT by William of Barsoom (In Omnia, Paratus)
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