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North Carolina Lawmakers Seek To Establish Official State Religion
CBS Charlotte ^ | 04/03/2012 | AP

Posted on 04/04/2013 12:32:35 PM PDT by SatinDoll

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To: William of Barsoom

It was actually a tactical move to prove a point on a local level...never a serious proposition.


21 posted on 04/04/2013 12:52:19 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: ClearCase_guy; Don W

Well, if the U.S.Constitution is written in such a way that states can have official state religions, how long do you think it will be before there is an amendment ginned up by Congress to seal that off.

Having a bruising fight in Congress is much preferable to having an openly fought civil war, IMHO.


22 posted on 04/04/2013 12:54:22 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: Don W

“The US Constitution says that CONGRESS cannot establish a state religion. It is silent on the individual states’ choice in that regard. Well, other than the “all other rights are reserved to the states or the people”...”

Yes....but is this a right that you’d want your state exercising?


23 posted on 04/04/2013 12:56:22 PM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: mnehring

Yes! Thank you for reminding me.

People have rights while government, state or federal, have powers.


24 posted on 04/04/2013 12:56:49 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: SatinDoll
how long do you think

Uhhhhhhh, we're at 230 years and counting. Congress hasn't tried to amend the First Amendment yet, but they've had a long time to consider doing so. So far: no interest.

25 posted on 04/04/2013 12:57:12 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The ballot box is a sham. Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: SatinDoll

The document says nothing about establishing a state religion.


26 posted on 04/04/2013 12:57:43 PM PDT by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

“It was actually a tactical move to prove a point on a local level...”

How so?


27 posted on 04/04/2013 12:58:14 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: AppyPappy

I meant the Bill says nothing about establishing a state religion.


28 posted on 04/04/2013 12:58:22 PM PDT by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: SatinDoll

Exactly, and those powers should be constrained as much as possible.

Thinking through the ‘how’ behind the establishment of a State religion, especially in historical contexts, flies in the face of individual rights. Having a State religion, in the past, meant that citizens of said State (nation state, empire, whatever) don’t have the right of conscious in choosing their own religion but must express fealty to the religion of the State.

Everybody can clap all they want if it is a religion they like, but as soon as you open that door, you now have given the State powers to establish an official religion that opposes your views. (and you can’t say ‘just move’ either because as soon as you give the States powers to tell you want to believe, you are giving them enough power they can tell you where to go, what you can or can’t say, where you work, etc so state-to-state mobility could be out of the question.)


29 posted on 04/04/2013 1:01:26 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: SatinDoll

As much as I enjoy baiting liberals, does anyone REALLY think this is a good idea?


30 posted on 04/04/2013 1:05:02 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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I was just wondering if this had come up before

It has.

In 1833, the U.S. Supreme Court held that the entire Bill of Rights applied only to the federal government, not to the states. Barron v. Baltimore, 32 U.S. 243 (1833). But after the 14th Amendment was ratified, a series of Supreme Court decisions held that most (but not quite all) of the Bill of Rights now also applied to the states.

The Establishment Clause was held applicable to the States in Everson v. Board of Education, 330 U.S. 1 (1947). The Second Amendment's right to keep and bear arms was held applicable to the states in McDonald v. Chicago, 561 U.S. 3025 (2010).

31 posted on 04/04/2013 1:05:26 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: SatinDoll

“How about Utah, do they have the Church of LDS as an official state religion?”

Are you serious? Just looked and Utah, as a state is 61% Mormon, but it isn’t a state religion per se.


32 posted on 04/04/2013 1:06:38 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: SatinDoll

None that I know of.


33 posted on 04/04/2013 1:08:04 PM PDT by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: SatinDoll

Up until 1833, there were individual States that still had official State churches. So the idea isn’t illegal under the Constitution at the time. Questions about the 14th amendment cause questions about the Constitutionality of the idea today, but clearly the founders saw no problem with a State Church under the 1st amendment during the first four decades of our nation.


34 posted on 04/04/2013 1:10:18 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius (www.wilsonharpbooks.com - New Robin Hood book out!)
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To: SatinDoll

How about Massachusetts passing a law banning homophobic speech since everybody knows about the free speech clause of same amendment; prohibition on Congress.

As someone else posted you seem to ignore the 14th amendment which applies the constraints of the Bill of Rights on the states as well.


35 posted on 04/04/2013 1:11:21 PM PDT by C19fan
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To: SatinDoll

I wonder if it’ll be ChristIslamUdism?


36 posted on 04/04/2013 1:11:23 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

If my state wants to establish Islam as a state religion, then they can do so. I wouldn’t like it, but my only option would be to move to a different state. That is the very nature of our federal republic.

That is part of the Islamic plan, look at France, look
at England. We already have Islamic congressmen.
First we were infiltrated by communists and now muslims.


37 posted on 04/04/2013 1:18:09 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: C19fan

I’m not ignoring anything. This subject is out for discussion.

It is interesting that you should mention banning ‘homophobic’ speech. It seems there are universities that have done just that, which is odd because one would expect a university to be a place where ideas are argued, not banned.


38 posted on 04/04/2013 1:25:28 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: SatinDoll

It was too allow one local agency to open their meetings with prayer...not sure of all details...but I live in NC and have heard the explanation. I’ve been out of the country for 5 days, but will catch up on all the details shortly.


39 posted on 04/04/2013 1:30:47 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: William of Barsoom

It would be a stupid one. This very issue was ruled on in Everson v. Board of Education. Denying the Natural, God-given rights of individuals is a pretty perverse way of claiming to “strengthen the Bill of Rights.”


40 posted on 04/04/2013 1:48:09 PM PDT by cizinec ("Brother, your best friend ain't your Momma, it's the Field Artillery.")
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