Bipartisan deal reached on gun background checks

Washington Post ^ | 04/10/2013 | Ed O'Keefe

[SeekAndFind]

A bipartisan group of senators has struck a deal to expand gun background checks to all commercial sales — whether at gun shows, via the Internet or in any circumstance involving paid advertising, according to Senate aides familiar with the talks.

The proposed agreement would be more stringent than current law, which requires checks only when purchases are made through a licensed dealer, but less than originally sought by President Obama and congressional Democrats, who were seeking to expand background checks to nearly every kind of sale.

The agreement should secure enough bipartisan support for the Senate to proceed to debate on an overarching bill that would expand background checks, make gun trafficking a federal crime for the first time and bolster federal funding for school security plans. Senate Democratic leaders have said they will permit senators of both parties to introduce amendments to the measure.

The deal on background checks was struck by Sens. Joe Manchin III (D-W. Va.), Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), Mark Kirk (R-Ill.) and Patrick Toomey (R-Pa.), who will introduce the proposal as an amendment to the current gun bill under consideration in the Senate, aides said.

[no-to-illegals]

yep, been in that business myself. Those TEA leaves do have stories to tell.

[CharlesWayneCT]

Either they are lying about it, or they are not. If they are not lying, then the words “commercial sale” means that it would not cover you transferring your gun.

If this story is to be believed, there is apparently a way for a commercial enterprise to NOT be a “licensed gun dealer” and to do the sale of a weapon. Maybe pawn shops? I don’t know, because I would have thought all commercial sales were already covered.

The one thing it says that could be problematic — if they define “commercial sale” as “advertising”, then they might argue that listing your gun on a craigslist-type site would be “advertising”. I guess they could argue that posting on a bulletin board at a gun range was “advertising”, so I hope the actual language makes it clear THAT is not what they mean.

I know everybody here will be hopping mad. And if the argument was “we should not have background checks at all”, I’d understand that. But it could just be that we are winning. The democrats are desperate to not look like they are incompetent. They might well agree to something that does absolutely NOTHING real, just to say they “did something”.

And the leftist activists are not totally clueless. They will see they were sold out, and will respond accordingly.

So, I will reserve screaming rants until we see exactly what this bill will do. If it does something bad, I expect the house won’t pass it.

[Ghost of Philip Marlowe]

Toomey, as much as I supported you to get you in office, I will work that hard to see you thrown out on your ass, you back-stabbing bastard.
We should never, EVER compromise with tyranny. And we should never support those who do.

[SWAMPSNIPER]

ping

[sport]

I wish I had your confidence regarding that. I recall something called obamacare.

[sport]

Never trust a politician to do what is right, My FRiend. REly on them to save you is like the Jews in the concentration camps hoping they would not be executed. It is obvioue that the politicians, even those that are supposed to be on our side, no longer respect us. After loss of respect comes hate. After hate extermination.

[unixfox]

I stand corrected. Thanks fellas.

[Red Badger]

I trust a politician to do what is in his own best interest, like getting re-elected.........

[gusty]

Saw some of the details on another site, TTAG. The bill will only add NICS checks for every seller (dealers and private) at a gun show and internet sales. Outside of gun shows and the internet no background checks required for private sales. Wording a little sketchy, but it might eliminate the need for FFLs in internet sales, seller does the background check and ships to your door. For licensed concealed carriers, no background checks will be necessary from anybody, dealers or private. Strengthens FOPA, in that you can stop to eat, sleep, go to the bathroom in states like NY and NJ when travelling thru.

[Forty-Niner]

I cringe whenever I hear the words bi-partisan.......

BOHICA

[Perseverando]

[murron]

To me, background checks are dangerous because if the government ever says that all gun owners have to turn in their guns, and gun owners don’t comply, then the govt. will know who owns what and just come to your home and confiscate them. And you will be arrested.

[veracious]

The answer to this deal is: no! no! No!

We do not meet the enemy halfway, between right and wrong, over and over and over. Every time the issue comes up we must compromise? Eventually, you have nothing left.

There _is_ a line in the main street. Hold the line or be part of the problem.

[Sam Gamgee]

Bingo. Bipartisan is what that free speech hating jerk McCain does.

[smokingfrog]

Damn RiNOs!

[wita]

The Constitution of the United States of America, which has a supremecy clause that says basically if it isn’t constitutional, it need not be obeyed. Easily said and far more difficult to get 50 states and 300,000,000 million people to join in the nullification. The left is going to continue their efforts to rid the land of a Constitution, and any that place stock in it. Our duty is to oppose vehemenly and physically any and all such efforts by sworn sacred oath at the risk of our very lives. This would be for all those previously sworn to support and defend the Constitution. The others side has no such mandate.

[mylife]

Kill it with fire!!

[mylife]

Kill it with fire!!

[Carriage Hill]

There’s an idea...