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School Teaching: Americans Don't Have Right To Bear Arms
Fox News ^ | April 9, 2013 | Todd Starnes

Posted on 04/10/2013 8:48:56 AM PDT by opentalk

The father of a Connecticut child is furious after discovering that his son’s school is teaching students that Americans don’t have a Second Amendment right to bear arms.

“I am appalled,” said Steven Boibeaux, of Bristol. “It sounds to me like they are trying to indoctrinate our kids.”

Boibeaux’s son is an eighth grader at Northeast Middle School. On Monday his social studies teacher gave students a worksheet titled, ‘The Second Amendment Today.’

“The courts have consistently determined that the Second Amendment does not ensure each individual the right to bear arms,” the worksheet states. “The courts have never found a law regulating the private ownership of weapons unconstitutional.

The worksheet, published by Instructional Fair, goes on to say that the Second Amendment is not incorporated against the states.

“This means that the rights of this amendment are not extended to the individual citizens of the states,” the worksheet reads. “So a person has no right to complain about a Second Amendment violation by state laws.”

According to the document, the Second Amendment “only provides the right of a state to keep an armed National Guard.”

Boibeaux said he discovered the worksheet as he was going over his son’s homework assignments.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; US: Connecticut
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; 8thgrade; banglist; bristolpublic; childrenofthestate; collectivechildren; commoncore; constututionlies; ct; ellensolek; globalism; guncontrol; indoctrination; instructionalfair; leftismoncampus; northeastmiddle; obama; secondamendment
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1 posted on 04/10/2013 8:48:56 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: opentalk

Tyrant Kim Un Hussein must be very pleased that his efforts to “FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA” are progressing so easily.


2 posted on 04/10/2013 8:52:59 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: opentalk

Public schools (and most universities for that matter) are no longer institutions of learning, they’re places of leftist indoctrination.


3 posted on 04/10/2013 8:53:49 AM PDT by Signalman
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To: opentalk
“I am appalled,” said Steven Boibeaux, of Bristol. “It sounds to me like they are trying to indoctrinate our kids.”

Your kid's in 8th grade and you're just finding this out now?
Better late then never, I guess - now pull him out of school and teach him yourself - you could do no worse than the public schools....

4 posted on 04/10/2013 8:53:53 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Psalm 73

Agreed. Seems he’s a little late to the party....


5 posted on 04/10/2013 8:54:39 AM PDT by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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To: opentalk
According to the document, the Second Amendment “only provides the right of a state to keep an armed National Guard.”

So, by THIS logic, the 1st Amendment allows the state to speak freely about.....the state? Ok, got it.

Besides, We The People ARE THE MILITIA!

HOW I LOATHE THE LEFT

6 posted on 04/10/2013 8:56:12 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: opentalk

Now, the liberals are saying the Constitution is “living”.

It wasn’t so when it was ratified.

When did an amendment get ratified that changed it from “fixed” to “living”?

Liberals can’t answer that. It’s simply a usurpation of power, and therefore illegitimate and without authority.


7 posted on 04/10/2013 8:56:24 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: opentalk

A public School is the SOCIALIST INDOCTRINATION CENTER, where your CHILD gets BRAINWASHED, by LIBERALS. HOMESCHOOL your child, because the future is dark without our freedoms!!


8 posted on 04/10/2013 8:58:15 AM PDT by ExCTCitizen (Go UConn women.....RIP Big East!!)
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To: MrB

“Now, the liberals are saying the Constitution is “living”.”

Typical liberal double-speak: the Constitution is in fact dead, and they’re the ones that killed it.


9 posted on 04/10/2013 8:58:49 AM PDT by henkster (I have one more cow than my neighbor. I am a kulak.)
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To: opentalk
.... Mat Staver, the founder and chairman of the Liberty Counsel, called the lesson propaganda – that is “absolutely false.”

“In fact, the US Supreme Court has affirmed that the Second Amendment ensures the individual the right to bear arms,” Staver told Fox News. “The progressive interpretation of the Second Amendment is that it doesn’t give you the right to bear arms – that it’s a corporate right of the government – but that has been rejected by the Courts.”

10 posted on 04/10/2013 8:58:59 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: henkster

As Walter E Williams stated - a “living” Constitution is NO Constitution.

If it is living, that means there are no fixed rules and all laws are just the whims of those who have the power to enforce them. These laws are without legitimate authority and are no better than thuggery.


11 posted on 04/10/2013 9:00:29 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: opentalk

ComDem Lies 24/7 with MSM support.


12 posted on 04/10/2013 9:00:54 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: opentalk

I’m sure there are documents or books that have been “transferred without permit” between people,

causing harm, bloodshed, and treason.

“Common Sense” being an example.
Any others come to mind, folks?


13 posted on 04/10/2013 9:02:58 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: opentalk

Obama has simply declared that the Constitution is what he says it is, so Americans must shut up and submit.

That he is still at large is an attack not just on America, but the rest of the “free” world.


14 posted on 04/10/2013 9:03:39 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: ExCTCitizen
Response from the school:

… Boibeaux said he’s demanding meetings with the principal as well as the board of education.

… Ellen Solek, the superintendent of the school district, told Fox News they have now decided to pull the assignment from the classroom.

“It is no longer an assignment in that particular school,” she said, noting that it was an “administration decision in the best interest of the district.”

15 posted on 04/10/2013 9:05:16 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: opentalk
Ellen Solek, the superintendent of the school district ... refused to answer any questions about the content of the lesson, how it became a part of the curriculum ...
No answers and no email address for Comrade Solek, but the board of education can be questioned at: BOEAdmin@ci.bristol.ct.us
The school's principal is Comrade Robert Garry and maybe he has some answers: robertgarry@ci.bristol.ct.us -or- (860) 584-7839.
Source
16 posted on 04/10/2013 9:06:10 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Hardraade

After all, “the government is us”, and there’s no way WE would do anything harmful to US, so we have to trust everything the government does.


17 posted on 04/10/2013 9:08:02 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: opentalk

This goes along with the shock conditioning kids get whenever the word “gun” is mentioned, alluded to, or hinted at in a pop tart. After a dozen years of this, how do you suppose that person will vote?


18 posted on 04/10/2013 9:09:53 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: Signalman

They’ve been that way for a long time.


19 posted on 04/10/2013 9:17:39 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: MrB
> Any others come to mind, folks?

The Thoughts of Chairman Mao

It was the "bible" of the SDS and other Leftist groups back in the 60s and 70s.

Our government has replaced the Constitution with this filthy tome as the governing document of the United States.

20 posted on 04/10/2013 9:17:50 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: opentalk

***“This means that the rights of this amendment are not extended to the individual citizens of the states,” the worksheet reads. “So a person has no right to complain about a Second Amendment violation by state laws.”***

This teacher needs to read the commentaries on the Constitution before the Civil War.

Example...

Dred Scott vs Sanford.
What the SCOTUS thought about gun control in the pre Civil War era.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0060_0393_ZO.html

“It would give to persons of the negro race, who were recognised as citizens in any one State of the Union, the right to enter every other State whenever they pleased, singly or in companies, without pass or passport, and without obstruction, to sojourn there as long as they pleased, to go where they pleased at every hour of the day or night without molestation, unless they committed some violation of law for which a white man would be punished;
and it would give them the full liberty of speech in public and in private upon all subjects upon which its own citizens might speak; to hold public meetings upon political affairs,
and to KEEP AND CARRY ARMS wherever they went.”

And AFTER the Civil War...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Cruikshank

“Although significant portions of Cruikshank have been overturned by later decisions, it is still relied upon with some authority in other portions. Cruikshank and Presser v. Illinois, which reaffirmed it in 1886, are the only significant Supreme Court interpretations of the Second Amendment until the murky United States v. Miller in 1939, but both preceded the court’s general acceptance of the incorporation doctrine and have been questioned for that reason. However, the majority opinion of the Supreme Court in District of Columbia v. Heller in 2008 clearly suggested that Cruikshank and the chain of cases flowing from it would no longer be considered good law as a result of the radically changed view of the Fourteenth Amendment when that issue eventually comes before the courts:”

And this...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presser_v._Illinois

In Presser, the Court reaffirmed the Cruikshank decision that the Second Amendment acts as a limitation upon only the federal government and not the states.

Cruikshank and Presser are consistently used by the lower courts to deny any recognition of individual rights claims and provides justification to state and local municipalities to pass laws that regulate guns.


21 posted on 04/10/2013 9:20:41 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (The murals in OKC are destroyed. The director and actors wept.)
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To: Westbrook

I’m sure you’re getting my point.

If the items covered under the 2nd amendment have to have government permission to be “transferred”,

what of the items under the 1st amendment?

You can’t say that those 1st amendment items haven’t caused “harm” in the past.


22 posted on 04/10/2013 9:22:51 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: opentalk; Psalm 73; illiac; Puppage; MrB; ExCTCitizen; Texas Fossil; All
From their website:
Instructional Fair books and educational products provide innovative skill building exercises designed to help educators engage and inspire students from kindergarten to 8th grade.

Because G_d forbid we should actually teach students. Oh, no. We have to educate and inspire (and brainwash) them…

Working in collaboration with educators, Instructional Fair reaches beyond the scope of textbooks …
They certainly do.
23 posted on 04/10/2013 9:26:12 AM PDT by ShorelineMike (Constituo, ergo sum.)
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To: opentalk
 photo TEACH_zpsdcf35541.jpg Fu#k math, science, And English....
24 posted on 04/10/2013 9:26:28 AM PDT by baddog 219
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To: ShorelineMike

School districts in the country are just liberal schills....


25 posted on 04/10/2013 9:29:11 AM PDT by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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To: opentalk

Maybe he should wait a year or two before raising too much of a clamor to the schools. By that time the democrats may have destroyed the 2nd. Amendment.

They are trying really hard.


26 posted on 04/10/2013 9:37:18 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Signalman

Public schools are government controlled institutions.

Is anyone surprised by this?


27 posted on 04/10/2013 9:42:58 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: MrB
Now, the liberals are saying the Constitution is “living”.

Now? They've been spouting that lie for forty years.

28 posted on 04/10/2013 9:54:36 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: opentalk
“It is no longer an assignment in that particular school,” she said, noting that it was an “administration decision in the best interest of the district.”

So does this mean that this work sheet is still to be an assignment at another school in this district?

29 posted on 04/10/2013 9:57:36 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: ExCTCitizen
A public School is the SOCIALIST INDOCTRINATION CENTER, where your CHILD gets BRAINWASHED, by LIBERALS. HOMESCHOOL your child, because the future is dark without our freedoms!!

The family Windflier has been doing just that for 12 years now.

One semester in kindergarten at the local gov't indoctrination center was all we could take for our eldest. We yanked him out and never looked back. Our three youngest have never stepped foot on a public 'school' campus.

30 posted on 04/10/2013 9:57:52 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Signalman

Yup. Our rookie graphics designer guy is a genius. Didn’t go to formal school. When asked by his co-workers how he was able to make our posters and ads look glossy, he just said “University of Youtube”. Told us later his teachers were lazy idiots and it was faster for him to learn by himself.


31 posted on 04/10/2013 9:58:57 AM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: opentalk
… Boibeaux said he’s demanding meetings with the principal as well as the board of education.

And Bristol will be having their town election in November, so I think the BOE will be changed -- if not the town council)

32 posted on 04/10/2013 9:59:55 AM PDT by ExCTCitizen
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To: Pontiac
Seems that is what she implies...maybe an appeasement in hopes the father [and Fox news] quietly going away before other parents are informed.
33 posted on 04/10/2013 10:04:25 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: DBrow
This goes along with the shock conditioning kids get whenever the word “gun” is mentioned, alluded to, or hinted at in a pop tart. After a dozen years of this, how do you suppose that person will vote?

Me? For whoever the silly feminists and castrated males didn't like. That was the effect on me.

34 posted on 04/10/2013 10:04:56 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: MrB

How can a document, out-dated because it was penned by a bunch of dead, white guys ... live ?


35 posted on 04/10/2013 10:05:23 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: SamuraiScot

I think that today’s conditioning goes beyond anything they have tried before.

One trick is to show a shocking video- the whipping-and-suicide scene from Amistad, Holocaust scenes, that sort of thing, and follow it up with a propaganda lesson on guns or global warming. And of note is the hysteria shown about guns, weapons, and “violence” which now includes words.


36 posted on 04/10/2013 10:27:58 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: Windflier
One semester in kindergarten at the local gov't indoctrination center was all we could take for our eldest. We yanked him out and never looked back. Our three youngest have never stepped foot on a public 'school' campus.

We never sent ours to any school, except the kitchen table...right now they are swimming in the pool with 6 other homeschooled kids.

They have more sense then most ADULTS

37 posted on 04/10/2013 10:32:37 AM PDT by ExCTCitizen
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38 posted on 04/10/2013 10:40:39 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: opentalk
“I am appalled,” said Steven Boibeaux, of Bristol. “It sounds to me like they are trying to indoctrinate our kids.”

Well, DUH!!!

Methinks Steven is a slow learner.

39 posted on 04/10/2013 10:41:31 AM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for anti-American criminals!!)
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To: opentalk; Joe Brower

40 posted on 04/10/2013 10:42:16 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: MrB
Now, the liberals are saying the Constitution is “living”.

It hasn't been just recent...that the liberalmarxistsocialistdemocrats have called the United States Constitution a "living" document.............

Been happening for years and years..............

41 posted on 04/10/2013 10:47:43 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Life is a bitch. If it was easy, we would call it a slut)
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To: opentalk

““It is no longer an assignment in that particular school,” she said, noting that it was an “administration decision in the best interest of the district.”

Now fire the people that wrote the assignment, the people who approved of the assignments and the teachers who gave out the assignment.

They are either too stupid to be in their positions or to ideologically linked to the communists that they cannot offer their students a real curriculum.


42 posted on 04/10/2013 10:49:34 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (The reason we own guns is to protect ourselves from those wanting to take our guns from us.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Student Indoctrination: On 2nd Amendment,we must remain vigilant

.. Of course, we should ask how long this has been going on for and what it will be replaced with, but I don’t think we should expect a response.

43 posted on 04/10/2013 11:01:11 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: opentalk
More from above link

… Dr. Ellen Solek, the superintendent of schools in Bristol, issued the following statement earlier this afternoon. It was sent via email and not published on the school system’s website. (At least I don’t see it.)

---The assignment given to students at Northeast Middle School has been withdrawn in the best interest of the district. Parents with concerns or questions regarding any assignment are encouraged to contact the school directly.--

——---------—------—

sounds like they do not want anymore media attention.

44 posted on 04/10/2013 11:08:51 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: Windflier

My point is that there has to be somewhere on the timeline between original ratification and “now” where the original amendment process was followed to change it from “fixed” to “living”.

Actually, there’s not, so the concept of accepting a “living” Constitution is entirely invalid.


45 posted on 04/10/2013 11:13:46 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB
...the concept of accepting a “living” Constitution is entirely invalid.

That is the bottom line.

If we can interpret the Constitution to mean whatever is politically expedient or comfortable for the day, then there's no point in having a Constitution at all.

46 posted on 04/10/2013 11:18:31 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Travis McGee
"Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted." -- Vladimir Lenin
47 posted on 04/10/2013 11:20:41 AM PDT by Joe Brower (The "American People" are no longer capable of self-governance.)
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PTR In Bristol Is First Rifle Maker To Declare It’s Exiting Connecticut
48 posted on 04/10/2013 11:59:45 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: Joe Brower

And the opposite is true -

if you spend your childrens formative years teaching and training them yourself, you have sown seeds that are difficult for the left to uproot.


49 posted on 04/10/2013 12:01:10 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: opentalk

The communist NEA strikes again.

Isn’t it long past time this Collection of Idiots was disbanded, and the teaching of the nation’s kids given over to the sane?


50 posted on 04/10/2013 12:32:13 PM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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