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Toomey-Manchin Lets Doctors Block Your Gun Rights
Investor's Business Daily ^ | April 16, 2013 | IBD EDITORIALS

Posted on 04/16/2013 6:01:00 PM PDT by raptor22

Overreach: The gun control bill lets doctors put your name in the national criminal background check system without telling you. Can the government say you're crazy and take your guns? It's already happening.

The road to deeper gun control seems like another road paved with good intentions. Since many recent mass shootings have involved shooters with varying degrees of mental impairment, the desire to keep guns out of the genuinely mentally ill seems to be a worthy goal.

Yet it is being exploited with definitions so vague and undefined, and with controls so lax, as to become not a means of ensuring public safety but to fulfill an ideological agenda that sacrifices a fundamental liberty in the name of securing a marginal degree of safety.

The Toomey-Manchin proposal contains a provision that lets a doctor add a patient to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) without ever telling the patient he or she has been added.

This would seem to violate doctor-patient confidentiality, due process and the presumption of innocence in one fell swoop.

As the Heritage Foundation reports, this "gun control legislation eliminates any (Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act) privacy protection for mental health records in connection with the NICS system, leaving only what privacy protection the attorney general cares to provide."

In other words, protection of your medical privacy and gun rights enshrined into law would be removed and put into the hands of Attorney General Eric Holder.

We have written how under New York's SAFE Act, mental health records are being cross-checked with the names of gun permit holders.

New York state resident David Lewis, a 34-year-old college librarian, recently had his pistol permit taken away on the grounds that a check of health records showed he once took anxiety medication.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; US: Pennsylvania; US: West Virginia
KEYWORDS: 2a; 2ndamendment; banglist; firearms; guncontrol; guns; ibd; ibdguns; rkba; rtkba; secondamendment
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To: raptor22

Schumer goes nuts over alternative gun measure
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3008380/posts

Gun-Rights Group Endorses Manchin-Toomey Compromise
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/3007821/posts?page=66#66


21 posted on 04/16/2013 7:54:16 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
I have/will continue to refuse on religious grounds alone, but this is icing on that cake.

I believe I declared my Amishness a long while ago on FR. You know... one of those rogue chainsmoking, liquor-drinking, porn-surfing, F-bomb-dropping... Amish.

23 posted on 04/16/2013 10:09:13 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: True Grit

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24 posted on 04/16/2013 10:24:41 PM PDT by shove_it (long ago Orwell, Huxley and Rand warned us about 0bama's USA)
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To: raptor22

they don’t seem to appreciate that the rule of law means nothing to the dems. They have successfully numbed the public into accepting selective enforcement.


25 posted on 04/16/2013 10:54:25 PM PDT by dila813
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To: shove_it

http://www.mrconservative.com/2013/04/12024-gov-shrinks-getting-paid-3k-take-vets-guns/


26 posted on 04/16/2013 11:46:43 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (Psalm 83)
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To: Brad's Gramma

Of course this type of action, like the New York legislation letting police have access to medical records on a systematic basis, and other incidents where peoples’ health records are used to seize their guns without any specific incident will actively discourage people from receiving any help. That discouragement will actually increase the general risk because people won’t be treated who otherwise need it. Tin foil hat observations - It’s not about health care, its about power and control and more risk equals more incidents equals more motivation for all out firearms prohibitions.


27 posted on 04/17/2013 4:02:10 AM PDT by Truth29
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28 posted on 04/17/2013 4:48:41 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: Brad's Gramma

Thanks


29 posted on 04/17/2013 6:45:25 AM PDT by shove_it (long ago Orwell, Huxley and Rand warned us about 0bama's USA)
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To: raptor22

They want the doctors to take the fall, while they are using another usual tactic of sneaking what they want through.


30 posted on 04/17/2013 9:25:20 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Yehuda
Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms
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The Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms has withdrawn its support for the Manchin-Toomey alternative background check measure because a key amendment for restoration of firearms rights is not being considered.

“Our support for this measure was contingent on several key provisions, the cornerstone of which was a rights restoration provision that is not on the schedule for consideration,” said a frustrated CCRKBA Chairman Alan Gottlieb.


31 posted on 04/17/2013 9:44:57 AM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Yehuda

Thanks for prompting me to take a look at the current status of the bill. It should now be defeated. And may the next bill also be loaded with “ornaments” for failure. ;-)

The Second Amendment Foundation
http://www.saf.org/

Equal Gun Rights
“Self Defense is a Human Right.”
http://equalgunrights.com/


32 posted on 04/17/2013 10:01:03 AM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Yehuda

It appears that the bill is gone. Good work, Alan and friends at the CCRKBA.

Breaking: Ayotte a no on Manchin-Toomey; (shortened title)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3008889/posts


34 posted on 04/17/2013 10:31:45 AM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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